Apple Phone: They had me at "Scrolling"...

[thelike5]

With no disrespect meant, you would have to be an absolute MORON to think that Apple has spent this kind of money in design, patenting, marketing, etc. etc. to only have this device available to one service provider, Cingular.

This is going to make the RAZR distribution look silly. Remember when the RAZR came out? Everyone was freaked that only one provider carried it now everyone has it. And that was just a stylish phone! The iphone is about as revolutionary as ANY PRODUCT APPLE HAS CREATED. It will be available to ANYONE who has cell phone service ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I mean come on. The ipod was first an Apple only product and as much as I disagreed with it at first the company was smart to allow PC users access to the device. Do you think they are seriously going to spend all this $ to develop the iphone and only target Cingular users? That would be leaving all their targeted market in the dark.

Trust me. By 2008 you will be sick of seeing all the people with these devices. I would assume Cingular gets this at launch (June, 2007)
and then every other carrier will have it by the end of August 2007.

Apple will be BOMBARDED with demands from providers to carry this phone.

I for one will be switching to Cingular as I have been looking for any minor excuse to get rid of T-Mobile. This is a major reason to do it...

Simply STOKED for this device!

[Novel]

Do you think Apple would create a portable music player that only plays music files encoded in a proprietary format?

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[thelike5]

Do you think Apple would create a portable music player that only plays music files encoded in a proprietary format?

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Apple created a music player that syncs itself with a music application called ITUNES...

If you haven't heard it's been available to Windows users for some time now...

Whatever else you want to do with the music file you can figure it out pretty easily if you need to. I for one put music on my Mac (either from my own cd's, friends cd's, paid downloads, "filesharing", what-have-you) and transfer those .wav files onto my ipod, which I stream in my car and then when I get to work, in my office. If I feel like it, I burn a disc of those songs and give it to a friend or use as a backup.

Not really trying to do anything else with it and not quite sure what else anyone would need to do with it...

[Tone Deft]

If Apple made a shotgun fanboys would be standing in line to shoot themselves in the head with it.

Not a bad idea really...

http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip. ... 2e20d3d75c

[kabuki]

With no disrespect meant, you would have to be an absolute MORON to think that Apple has spent this kind of money in design, patenting, marketing, etc. etc. to only have this device available to one service provider, Cingular.

This is going to make the RAZR distribution look silly. Remember when the RAZR came out? Everyone was freaked that only one provider carried it now everyone has it. And that was just a stylish phone! The iphone is about as revolutionary as ANY PRODUCT APPLE HAS CREATED. It will be available to ANYONE who has cell phone service ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I mean come on. The ipod was first an Apple only product and as much as I disagreed with it at first the company was smart to allow PC users access to the device. Do you think they are seriously going to spend all this $ to develop the iphone and only target Cingular users? That would be leaving all their targeted market in the dark.

Trust me. By 2008 you will be sick of seeing all the people with these devices. I would assume Cingular gets this at launch (June, 2007)
and then every other carrier will have it by the end of August 2007.

Apple will be BOMBARDED with demands from providers to carry this phone.

I for one will be switching to Cingular as I have been looking for any minor excuse to get rid of T-Mobile. This is a major reason to do it...

Simply STOKED for this device!

That is what amazes me. What you say make TOTAL sense, but the proof is in the pudding. I remember reading the Cingular has an exclusive for 2 years. (As far as my memory serves me). Apple IS partnered with Cingular. Apple IS cutting other carriers out of the market. (He did it with the last phone, but lt was a POS, so no one cared). I can imaging Jobs has enough hubris to expect folks to just falll in line for the phone and switch carriers. A lot of people will. I won't be one of them.

Let's not forget, this is the same asshole that swore up and down Macs would never ship with a 2-button mouse. He managed to make a 2 button mouse with only one button (and keeping the egg off his face). Come to think of it, he also said Apple would NEVER make a PDA, and that is basically what this phone is. hmmmm...

[kabuki]

If Apple made a shotgun fanboys would be standing in line to shoot themselves in the head with it.

Not a bad idea really...

Or rather, blast Zune-toting, Windows clones. Better Idea IMO.

BTW, that is a joke. You wouldn't be worth the shell.

[Tone Deft]

If Apple made a shotgun fanboys would be standing in line to shoot themselves in the head with it.

Not a bad idea really...

Or rather, blast Zune-toting, Windows clones. Better Idea IMO.

BTW, that is a joke. You wouldn't be worth the shell.

I'd earn it, no doubt.

[Machinate]

Let's not forget, this is the same asshole that swore up and down Macs would never ship with a 2-button mouse. He managed to make a 2 button mouse with only one button (and keeping the egg off his face). Come to think of it, he also said Apple would NEVER make a PDA, and that is basically what this phone is. hmmmm...

Hehe, that reminds me of the infamous Gates-quote about RAM:
“640K ought to be enough for anybody.”

Oh, and another hehe from here. Jobs said about the touchscreen:
"It's far more accurate than any touch display ever shipped"... true, but has he found a way to reduce the size of a finger to the size of a stylus? No, he hasn't, hence the high-res is pretty much useless. I can control my old pda with my fingers, thank you. And they have the same screen resolution as this one. And they take external memory cards, thank you

...they just don't look as yummy...

[ahlstrominfo]

Oddest thing anyway is not adding 3G on it, hopefully that will be included when released in Europe Q3.

Then it will be sweet.

Did anyone think the 5 hour batterytime was laughable. But I must be missing something here.

[thelike5]

That is what amazes me. What you say make TOTAL sense, but the proof is in the pudding. I remember reading the Cingular has an exclusive for 2 years. (As far as my memory serves me). Apple IS partnered with Cingular. Apple IS cutting other carriers out of the market. (He did it with the last phone, but lt was a POS, so no one cared). I can imaging Jobs has enough hubris to expect folks to just falll in line for the phone and switch carriers. A lot of people will. I won't be one of them.

Let's not forget, this is the same asshole that swore up and down Macs would never ship with a 2-button mouse. He managed to make a 2 button mouse with only one button (and keeping the egg off his face). Come to think of it, he also said Apple would NEVER make a PDA, and that is basically what this phone is. hmmmm...

I'd like to see where you read that Cingular has an exclusive for two years. I'd imagine that Apple would be on the 3rd generation by then going by their recent track record. If you can send me a link to a reputable site claiming the two year contract then I will eat crow...

I will admit, I have been looking for a reason to switch from T-mobile and I have looked at Cingular. (My girlfriend uses them, I thought they personally have the best looking phones to choose from, etc.) This is all the reason I need to make that switch.

And I don't think Steve Jobs is an asshole for the reasons you listed. Steve is a highly intelligent business man who gives a good press conference/three ring circus. He has his critics, sure but he's probably the most succesful business man on the tech side in the last few years. Somewhere, sometime he had something to do with hiring Jonathon Ive or hired someone that hired Jonathon Ive and that speaks volumes to the success of the company. Also, let's face it, their marketing team pretty much rules and their "I want it factor" is second to none...

With all due respect, you chastise Jobs for renegging on a MOUSE design (I don't even understand what your talking about, really) and for more less saying he "wouldn't create a PDA" (I never heard him say this) even though YOU WANT THE "PDA".

Jobs is kinda like Bono; most people either love or hate the guy.

[kabuki]

That is what amazes me. What you say make TOTAL sense, but the proof is in the pudding. I remember reading the Cingular has an exclusive for 2 years. (As far as my memory serves me). Apple IS partnered with Cingular. Apple IS cutting other carriers out of the market. (He did it with the last phone, but lt was a POS, so no one cared). I can imaging Jobs has enough hubris to expect folks to just falll in line for the phone and switch carriers. A lot of people will. I won't be one of them.

Let's not forget, this is the same asshole that swore up and down Macs would never ship with a 2-button mouse. He managed to make a 2 button mouse with only one button (and keeping the egg off his face). Come to think of it, he also said Apple would NEVER make a PDA, and that is basically what this phone is. hmmmm...

I'd like to see where you read that Cingular has an exclusive for two years. I'd imagine that Apple would be on the 3rd generation by then going by their recent track record. If you can send me a link to a reputable site claiming the two year contract then I will eat crow...

I will admit, I have been looking for a reason to switch from T-mobile and I have looked at Cingular. (My girlfriend uses them, I thought they personally have the best looking phones to choose from, etc.) This is all the reason I need to make that switch.

And I don't think Steve Jobs is an asshole for the reasons you listed. Steve is a highly intelligent business man who gives a good press conference/three ring circus. He has his critics, sure but he's probably the most succesful business man on the tech side in the last few years. Somewhere, sometime he had something to do with hiring Jonathon Ive or hired someone that hired Jonathon Ive and that speaks volumes to the success of the company. Also, let's face it, their marketing team pretty much rules and their "I want it factor" is second to none...

With all due respect, you chastise Jobs for renegging on a MOUSE design (I don't even understand what your talking about, really) and for more less saying he "wouldn't create a PDA" (I never heard him say this) even though YOU WANT THE "PDA".

Jobs is kinda like Bono; most people either love or hate the guy.

http://www.macrumors.com/events/mwsf2007.html

Look at the time 10:53... "multi-year exclusive partnership only available from Cingular or Apple" From Stan Sigman, Cingular's CEO... I am being optimistic in guessing 2 years. It could be longer.

As far as the mouse and PDA references go, I know exactly what I am talking about. The Apple PDA thing has been speculated on for quite some time, and whenever pressed on the subject, Jobs states unequivocally that Apple would not get into the PDA market despite interest. That was a few years back when PDAs were actually used more.

The mouse thing goes back to the Mac Classic. If you work on a Mac, no doubt you have used a third-party multi-button mouse to get the work done. I am no Steve Jobs (and I do think he is a good business man. I would be flipping burgers if I couldn't work with Macs). But I don't think anyone is above criticism, and the Mouse thing is just another example of him cutting off his nose to spite his face. I will call a spade a spade when I see one, and Jobs ain't perfect.

[jasinski]

hmm. Runs OS X. Can run apps.... Yet no mention of processor speed, RAM, video card capabilities.... wonder if you really can run OS X apps on it.

Pocket Live 7 anyone?

Very impressive move by Apple. I bet most people don't realize what this truly signifies. This isn't about phones. This isn't about iPods. This is about the future of where computers is going. About the way that people are going to be interacting with computers.

What Apple has an uncanny knack for is making products 'feel' good to use. And they know how to make it do what you want and not overload the user with options. Sure there are other "PDA"s out there. There were other mp3 players when the iPod debuted. I remember when the first iPod came out. I thought it was cool but way too expensive. The iPod has been refined and honed dramatically. And people have gotten used to the price. Now "pod" has entered the public lexicon- Apple has defined the portable digital music market. Just watch what happens in the next five years.

Apple has leap-frogged most of it's competition.

[zappen]

Pocket Live 7 anyone?

[hacktheplanet]

It does kinda suck that the iPhone will only be with Cingular. I read on another forum that the reason for this is that in order to use certain features on the iPhone, Cingular had to make some changes to its existing wireless infrastructure. This leads me to believe that Cingular was the only company willing/able to make such changes, which is why the partnership between the two companies exists.

Also, the two year contract isn't so bad when you consider the fact that there is only one provider for the iPhone, and that the actual price of the device will be considerably less (after rebates) when you sign up for the service.

So I have mixed feelings. The iPhone looks fucking spectacular, but it's waaaaaay too expensive, and the Cingular partnership thing just screams monopoly.

[Anubis]

seems a ot more rigid in the states. over here in the uk, a phone might debut for a month or two exclusively on a single network, but it certainly isnt long before it becomes widely available on more networks....

Exclusivity runs about six months over here then they open it up to the other carriers. At least that was the situation with the Moto Q. But more importantly, right now Verizon has the fastest data service with EVDO.