Can I use my first loop recordng to determine length of rest

[Loopy-Joe]

Thanks to Formatk for the clever suggestion of setting cycle points in arrange.

Thanks Bencodec...I've got the augustus looper...I'll give that a shot (can you elaborate)

Thanks Nowtime...obviously I'm not the only doughead trying to do this.

Thanks Tone Deft for being a dick...somebody's gotta do it...

[formatk]

yea, I quite often work freeflow, by recording rough guitar etc. ignoring tempo and clicks using my laptops built in mic, or arranging beats etc. with no warping and putting things where I think they sound right without any grid locked on. Once I've got a nice looping groove, I'll bounce it down and then use the bounce to set my tempo and overdub stuff properly. This is just down to my old skool way of using phrase samplers and importing to Logic and Protools, but now I can do it all in the same app. Live has very clever tempo tricks, but I prefer to use them after I get an idea rather than before.

[itook4lefts]

loopy

i sooooo hear you. Repeater-style looping. i don't understand why this isn't more common.

+1. you can get one of these for 100 quid, and it does exactly what you want, but without the flexibility of live. shame. i tried one of these in a shop the other day and i expected to hate it, but actually i really liked it. not much help for your question though.

[bencodec]

loopy

i sooooo hear you. Repeater-style looping. i don't understand why this isn't more common. it seems to me a software could easily:

1 - record a free-hand loop WITHOUT any metronome
2 - mathematically compute the BPM of the loop (especially for rhythmic loops)
3 - automatically set the host sequencer to that BPM or at least SHOW the number which could be entered manually into the seq

easy?

this is exactly what augustus loop does!

[dj superflat]

if you're on PC, go with mobius as vst in live. will do everything you want and more. i've been whining about live's inability to set default loop length or have first loop define length of other loops for a while (seems obviously useful for live loopers, as would looping without warp (yes, you can stay at same tempo in repitch mode and not affect sound, etc.)).

anybody using the elegoxa or whatever looper? people swear by it, but no longer seems available. thx.

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[nowtime]

bencodec
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:36 am Post subject:
nowtime wrote:
loopy

i sooooo hear you. Repeater-style looping. i don't understand why this isn't more common. it seems to me a software could easily:

1 - record a free-hand loop WITHOUT any metronome
2 - mathematically compute the BPM of the loop (especially for rhythmic loops)
3 - automatically set the host sequencer to that BPM or at least SHOW the number which could be entered manually into the seq

easy?


this is exactly what augustus loop does!

really? oooooooooohhh! i'm on it!

p.s. come on Ableton! Live7 a kickass looper!

[sweetjesus]

you could do some kind of trick where at the same time as recording the audio of your first loop, you set live to also record a loop with CC data from the beginning to the end.

you can then use the midi ghost clip with Midiyoke or IAC(i think) to route back into live and act as a trigger for events such as record start/stop on a clip slot...

edit: a real-time dummy clip if you so will...

[Tone Deft]

you could do some kind of trick where at the same time as recording the audio of your first loop, you set live to also record a loop with CC data from the beginning to the end.

you can then use the midi ghost clip with Midiyoke or IAC(i think) to route back into live and act as a trigger for events such as record start/stop on a clip slot...

edit: a real-time dummy clip if you so will...

SweetJesus at it again!!

I think I get what you're saying.
make a midi track
set it's input to the FCB

make another track to record your stuff into, audio or midi

put both tracks into the same scene, arm both.

launch the scene, both tracks start recording on the FCB stomp
relaunch the same scene to stop recording and go into playback mode (quantise set to NONE)
the 'relaunch' command gets recorded into the midi clip <--- the key part

now if 'relaunch' was set to launch the same scene that would also send a start recording and stop recording/go into playback mode at the same interval as the original recording.

Dunno, thinking out loud here. Forget the haters that won't let you brainstorm, incomplete answers ARE the answer, together we can figure this out.

Thanks Tone Deft for being a dick...somebody's gotta do it...

you're alright by me
You should check out mercyplease sometime, THE forum douche_bag, he LOVES n00bs like Bush loves black people. I kinda felt bad for trying to get you to PM him, would've been funny though.

Anyway, I do believe that with Live and some external tools (midi yoke and bomes) you could probably even predict the stock market. Seriously, there are some insanely clever tricks people have devised with Live, I dig it for that, the ability to be used in really odd ways, it's a brain teaser to me.

Looks like some cool tools people have pointed out though.

[sweetjesus]

SweetJesus at it again!!

damn right!

I think I get what you're saying.
make a midi track
set it's input to the FCB

make another track to record your stuff into, audio or midi

put both tracks into the same scene, arm both.

launch the scene, both tracks start recording on the FCB stomp
relaunch the same scene to stop recording and go into playback mode (quantise set to NONE)
the 'relaunch' command gets recorded into the midi clip <--- the key part

yup u got me

incomplete answers ARE the answer

amen!

[studiesinsound]

that's interesting with the midi cc capture.
sounds excellent. I'm wondering though, how would you move over to the next armed track to in that setup.

The rest of the idea seems sound, and what I've bene looking for, but how to move over 1 track automatically in time with the midi cc start and relaunch?

[Tone Deft]

that's interesting with the midi cc capture.
sounds excellent. I'm wondering though, how would you move over to the next armed track to in that setup.

The rest of the idea seems sound, and what I've bene looking for, but how to move over 1 track automatically in time with the midi cc start and relaunch?

How do you do it with a mouse? Do that same thing with Bomes and the FCB.

Typically people use 1 FCB button per track, button x records to track x etc.

[studiesinsound]

yeah I got that bit. I'm using the FCB1010 and MidiStroke on the mac and under nromal circumstances can navigate left right etc.

But in the context of the cc clip solution above, at what point does the track focus move 1 track to the right so recording begins in a new slot?

see what I mean?

maybe I'm missing something but the solution provided of recording that cc info for starting record and launch scene seems great, I just don't see where it records the move over action.

[studiesinsound]

no idea huh?

[studiesinsound]

btw tone deft, bomes does not work on a mac
I am using midistroke, same idea though.

And it doesn't map to mouse movement or clicks, it maps to keyboard strokes, as I think Bomes does as well.

just some minor details.

anyway, still no idea how to encode moving over 1 track into the example from above. if anyone can help please let us know.
thanks.

[joeyfivecents]

im afraid not... ive been working on a live looping setup with an FCB1010 but which involves some very strict quantization and a pre-set tempo, so probably not much good to you! Good luck

Maybe not much help to him but could you share this setup in a new thread maybe?