Changing the time signature !!!

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:09 pm

forget him guys, he must be french.

mbenigni · Post by **mbenigni** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:17 pm

Very strange to be insulted in a user forum ! First time in 25 years of internet use.

2007-25=1982?

I can't help but suspect that you pulled that number straight out of your...

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:45 pm

RichardBois wrote:Live is defineltly a toy!!

Then my wife's gonna be all over it later tonight. Awww yeah...

RichardBois · Post by **RichardBois** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:51 pm

Sorry ...

... out of my ?

Internet was not as easy and as fast in 1981-1982 as it is now, beleive me, it's name wasn't the same, I guess you don't care and you were certainly not yet in your father's balls, but I can tell that no one was having this kind of stupid "conversation".

Ze french

snowtires · Post by **snowtires** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:56 pm

Herne wrote:I guess the warp engines the Abes licensed won't hack it with non-4/4 stuff.

I wish they did, this is my only annoyance. Apart from dual-monitor support.

well it'd certainly be nice for them to include it for those of us who don't use the warp feature

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:03 pm

RichardBois wrote:you were certainly not yet in your father's balls

I fondly remember the times I spent in my fathers balls. Aah, good times, getting knocked around every time he scratched them. Those were the days.

Thinktanx · Post by **Thinktanx** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:36 pm

Fellas, several of us are really interested in this, and would like to know if there is a workaround, or maybe a good reason why we can't do this. It would be cool if we could stay on subject and limit the discussion of dad's balls.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:42 pm

Agreed. My dad used to walk in 4/4, and then one day, he heard a waltz and started walking around in 3/4. Given that I was in his balls at the time, the change in rhythm really threw me for a spin. So now I really want to do this in Live all the time.

mbenigni · Post by **mbenigni** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:32 am

Fellas, several of us are really interested in this, and would like to know if there is a workaround, or maybe a good reason why we can't do this. It would be cool if we could stay on subject and limit the discussion of dad's balls.

Apologies if I helped to steer things off course. It is a valid question I suppose, though I would maintain that the OP has really crappy manners for a guy who hasn't had a disagreement in 25 years (not to mention an improbable span of usage on the internet.) Also, I'm older than I'd prefer, so the "dad's balls" business doesn't exactly cut to the bone or anything.

Back on topic - and this is an honest question, not an effort to be snarky - I don't really understand how it's all that relevant excepting the metronome. I mean a clip in one sig follows a clip in the other, and so it goes. I've got live sets that do this very thing? What am I missing?

mbenigni · Post by **mbenigni** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:36 am

I don't understand why they don't add the ability to change time signature by typing it into the scene change window, like you can with BPM. That would be awesome. Seems to me there has to be a reason (ie. a coding issue) for them to have not done this by now.

There really ought to be a scene properties window, just like the clip properties window, where you could enter tempo in a proper field, along with fields for other features requests that arise. Ability to change tempos per scenes is GREAT, but I hate having to sacrifice my scene names for it.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:42 am

mbenigni wrote:

Back on topic - and this is an honest question, not an effort to be snarky - I don't really understand how it's all that relevant excepting the metronome. I mean a clip in one sig follows a clip in the other, and so it goes. I've got live sets that do this very thing? What am I missing?

yeah, i'm with you.

but it would be a lot more clear for people who's heads are in music theory world if it had time signature change. i write stuff that changes time in live often. And stuff with multiple time sigs at once. but i can understand why a trained musician would like to see time sig change rather than ignore the sets global time sig. they're used to thinking a certain way.

.lm.

Thinktanx · Post by **Thinktanx** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:43 am

mbenigni wrote:
I don't understand why they don't add the ability to change time signature by typing it into the scene change window, like you can with BPM. That would be awesome. Seems to me there has to be a reason (ie. a coding issue) for them to have not done this by now.
There really ought to be a scene properties window, just like the clip properties window, where you could enter tempo in a proper field, along with fields for other features requests that arise. Ability to change tempos per scenes is GREAT, but I hate having to sacrifice my scene names for it.

Very dope idea.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:43 am

If all you need is for the '1' in the loop to be on the '1' in the tempo, just adjust the bpm.

4/4 @ 120 bpm = 3/4 @ 150 bpm and your loops aren't cut to the '1' they're cut to the 3rd beat.

It's a workaround but you CAN do it.

Right? Dunno, I'm having one fuck of a monday...

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:49 am

What???

no, the only work around is to ignore the master time sig. If working in arrange, you don't need to do anything else.

if working on the fly in session, you need to set global quantize to an appropriate duration, like 1/4note for instance.

as mentioned, stuff like 6/8 or 2/2 doesn't work right, if you want 2/2 you just have to program 16ths where you would put 1/8ths, because live isn't going to really set 1/2 notes to one click of the metronome.

.lm.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:00 am

cool...

Then the only other thing is to ensure your loops are cut to 3 beats for 3/4, 6/8 etc. or 7 beats for 7/8 etc. Honestly, I stay in 4/4 but it'd be good for me for work with 3/4 more just to get used to it.

meh, just discussing...