arabic scales
Thanks dep affect for the tip on scala.
Hoffman. Great that sampler might work as well, but still sounds like hard work.\
In Kontakt you only have to specify the tuning of c#, d, d# etc in cents and then you can change the base from C to G etc and all other values change along.
In sampler case you probably have to generate an instance of sampler for each note, and then generate a new rack for another base tone or something. Sounds like hard work.
I will certainly try to find some good players. But even in the Gulf here, it is not like there is an Oud player in every corner. And the occasional ones that I meet (from, Iraq) normally are not very fluent in english, My arabic is at level "in Shalah", so that does not help either ....
Hoffman. Great that sampler might work as well, but still sounds like hard work.\
In Kontakt you only have to specify the tuning of c#, d, d# etc in cents and then you can change the base from C to G etc and all other values change along.
In sampler case you probably have to generate an instance of sampler for each note, and then generate a new rack for another base tone or something. Sounds like hard work.
I will certainly try to find some good players. But even in the Gulf here, it is not like there is an Oud player in every corner. And the occasional ones that I meet (from, Iraq) normally are not very fluent in english, My arabic is at level "in Shalah", so that does not help either ....
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Actually, its not that hard but dont quote me on that yet.
You have to understand though, I am talking about very specific samples.
So my suggestion will not allow you to tune your own samples to arabic scales.
What I was talking about was .ams files (Ableton Meta Sound).
From what I gathered, it is possible to make samples that are automatically tuned to a predefined scale.
I will try to make a square wave in arabic scale (quarter note) for the sampler.
Its not what you're looking for, but it'll be fun for me to figure out nonetheless
I know its possible, its just a matter of making it easy.
As far as using Sampler for your own samples goes.. Its pretty simple, just detune each next sample by 50 cents.
Not with the global pitch, but with the detune parameter you get in the pane with the sample view.
i guess you got the basis for a pretty damn good feature request here though..
Scale/Scala files..
And some right-click option to detune samples according to a predefined scale.
As a side note, ABL Pro from audiorealism is a synth that also loads scala files.
You have to understand though, I am talking about very specific samples.
So my suggestion will not allow you to tune your own samples to arabic scales.
What I was talking about was .ams files (Ableton Meta Sound).
From what I gathered, it is possible to make samples that are automatically tuned to a predefined scale.
I will try to make a square wave in arabic scale (quarter note) for the sampler.
Its not what you're looking for, but it'll be fun for me to figure out nonetheless
I know its possible, its just a matter of making it easy.
As far as using Sampler for your own samples goes.. Its pretty simple, just detune each next sample by 50 cents.
Not with the global pitch, but with the detune parameter you get in the pane with the sample view.
i guess you got the basis for a pretty damn good feature request here though..
Scale/Scala files..
And some right-click option to detune samples according to a predefined scale.
As a side note, ABL Pro from audiorealism is a synth that also loads scala files.
Sounds like there are a number of ways to go about this. I use Li'l Miss Scale Oven to retune a number of instances of Operator or Simpler in real time or write .tun files that I load into Zebra. Sounds like Max/MSP, Kyma, etc. work great too. I've been mainly retuning to Turkish Makamlar (Arabic equivalent would be Maqamat). The two systems do differ, in that the Arabic is based nowadays around 24 quarter-tones to the octave, and the Turkish is based on Pythagorean ratios and the comma (approximately 1/9th of a wholetone). I'd get Sampler except for just this issue: I'd rather have a more full-featured sampler load internal tuning files, and it doesn't. Come on Ableton! get your act together and allow Operator and Sampler to load internal tuning files for polyphonic microtonality!!!
Arabic scales are not really based on quarter tones. There are different theoretical explanations. One of them describes the arabic scales as tones based relationships of pure fifths and fourths = 3/2, 4/3 respectively. This results in a third in between the minor third and a major third. 2^13/3^8 = 384 cents. (hence the concept of a quarter tone, the actual interval itself does not occur). Another explanation uses the arabian comma
An easier implementation is then to keep a normal C major scale and lower the E to 384 cents (instead of 400) and the B to 1086 cents (instead of 1100). This is just one of the many modi that are possible. An uqually tempered system basec on quarter tones will not create anything that resembles true arabic modi. A keyboard player would then alse be able to use the keyboard in a sensible manner.
An easier implementation is then to keep a normal C major scale and lower the E to 384 cents (instead of 400) and the B to 1086 cents (instead of 1100). This is just one of the many modi that are possible. An uqually tempered system basec on quarter tones will not create anything that resembles true arabic modi. A keyboard player would then alse be able to use the keyboard in a sensible manner.
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Re: arabic scales
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