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Tone Deft wrote:

muthafunka wrote:Not wishing to thread-jack here, but I 'm still surprised at how little complaint there is about the dreadful latency when triggering midi notes from keyboard etc in some sets, just unuseable. This'll be a non/purchase issue in 7 for me.

That's all you man, I play midi guitar into Operator at 7mS latency, sometimes 4mS.

1mS is the same amount of delay as standing 1 foot from a sound source.

On 2 Macs here, diff. sound cards and still get same issue sometimes. You never get any probs. even under heavy track counts or other times when you just think 'wtf?'. I have newest drivers for everything and all tweaked as much as poss. on both machines.

muthafunka wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:

muthafunka wrote:Not wishing to thread-jack here, but I 'm still surprised at how little complaint there is about the dreadful latency when triggering midi notes from keyboard etc in some sets, just unuseable. This'll be a non/purchase issue in 7 for me.

That's all you man, I play midi guitar into Operator at 7mS latency, sometimes 4mS.

1mS is the same amount of delay as standing 1 foot from a sound source.

On 2 Macs here, diff. sound cards and still get same issue sometimes. You never get any probs. even under heavy track counts or other times when you just think 'wtf?'. I have newest drivers for everything and all tweaked as much as poss. on both machines.

Luckily I don't have latency/pops/clicks/snats, when I do it's because I left Live open while using other apps and let the computer go to sleep etc. I reboot and all's well.

Reality check though... if Live 6 had unusable latency MANY users would be selling their licenses, there are a lot of users who play keyboards live into Ableton.

Anyway, I got mine running smoothly after spending time tweaking the settings, the simplest answer I can give is to make all your buffers the same size, use a high sampling rate, have at least 1Gb RAM, turn off your internet connection, keep your DAW virus free and on PC use ASIO4ALL.

It's a shitty problem, hang in there, spend some time giving out the love to your machines. Good luck!

Tone Deft wrote: Anyway, I got mine running smoothly after spending time tweaking the settings, the simplest answer I can give is to make all your buffers the same size, use a high sampling rate, have at least 1Gb RAM, turn off your internet connection, keep your DAW virus free and on PC use ASIO4ALL.

Or just use an interface with usable drivers to begin with. The only time I use ASIO4ALL is if I'm playing with surround sound; my motherboard's got eight channel surround; otherwise it's my normal interfaces' (either AK 1, EWX 24/96 or KORE)'s drivers,

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ewistrand wrote:Or just use an interface with usable drivers to begin with. The only time I use ASIO4ALL is if I'm playing with surround sound; my motherboard's got eight channel surround; otherwise it's my normal interfaces' (either AK 1, EWX 24/96 or KORE)'s drivers,

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Problem is it's hit or miss on what you get in the first place with your computer and sound card. It's not like people sit down with 1 of every sound card, try them all out and decide which one's usable to begin with. Some combinations just don't work, sometimes people clue in one which chipsets are problematic and sometimes people know how to see what chipsets they have. It's not really an option to 'get usable drivers', you have to work with what you got. I previously had a Presonus Firebox, nice box but for some reason it would pop and click with my laptop running ANY audio device, I spent a week with it, then I returned that and got an Edirol UA101 that works great with ASIO4ALL (30ms latency turned into 7ms).

Basically just saying that sorting this all out can be a bitch, some people get lucky, others don't. I try to keep an open mind when helping people, some are just screwed, some just need to look a little harder.

blah blah blah, all hyped up on coffee. I typed all that in 3 seconds.

Tone Deft wrote:

muthafunka wrote:

Tone Deft wrote: That's all you man, I play midi guitar into Operator at 7mS latency, sometimes 4mS.

1mS is the same amount of delay as standing 1 foot from a sound source.

On 2 Macs here, diff. sound cards and still get same issue sometimes. You never get any probs. even under heavy track counts or other times when you just think 'wtf?'. I have newest drivers for everything and all tweaked as much as poss. on both machines.

Luckily I don't have latency/pops/clicks/snats, when I do it's because I left Live open while using other apps and let the computer go to sleep etc. I reboot and all's well.

Reality check though... if Live 6 had unusable latency MANY users would be selling their licenses, there are a lot of users who play keyboards live into Ableton.

Anyway, I got mine running smoothly after spending time tweaking the settings, the simplest answer I can give is to make all your buffers the same size, use a high sampling rate, have at least 1Gb RAM, turn off your internet connection, keep your DAW virus free and on PC use ASIO4ALL.

It's a shitty problem, hang in there, spend some time giving out the love to your machines. Good luck!

Thanks and yes I hear you, if it was that bad for all there'd a ruckus for sure. Thing is it doesn't happen all the time and so far haven't been able to trace the cause. Settings are pretty tweaked as you suggest, no net etc, 3.5Gb RAM, and midi latency (when it does occur) happens via usb and standard midi connection. Anyway, I'll continue troubleshooting this and get back with any new info.