defies Logic

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:06 pm

Except that you're the only one having this issue.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:21 pm

Eh, that's always the case with me. I don't generally have problems but when I do it takes 2 hours for support to go "hm, wow. I've never heard of that happening before." An hour and a half of those 2 hours is spent being thrown around to different people asking me the same 15 questions. If it's determined that it's a bug they don't even bother fixing it because I am the only one experiencing it. I'm used to it.

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:15 pm

beats me wrote:Yeah, thanks for all your help guys but I think I am pounding this one into the dirt here and should probably take it to the Logic forum. My point was more of props to Ableton but I do plan to work this Logic thing out.

Personally I think it's some kind of glitch or bug because not even the complexity of Logic would make it so you seemingly saved a song (all the files appear in the same folder) and later can't open it.

I am sorry, but I am not sure this is the case. I think this is a user error.

I just did a basic test on my laptop (mbp) using Logic Express 7.2.3.

I opened a new project, dropped 3 mp3 into the arrange page, then put an instance of RMX on a track. Then I "saved as project". All the audio files where copied into the newly created folder within the project. Close the project. Reopen it and everything is exactly where I left it. The audio files show up in the Project Manager and the instance of RMX is loaded.

If people had problems with such a basic task as saving their project, no one would use Logic.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:17 pm

My wife is the same way with computers, I swear she's electrically imblanced, too many protons or something

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:52 pm

Hi, I've been an audio engineer for some time now....had worked on all commercial DAWS out there....I have waited a long time for a DAW like live That Actually acts like HW...
...How is Logic any 'deeper' than live or any other DAW ????
Let me rephrase.... I think a person needs 1 DAW.... Why should I even open Logic... (not to mention spend a terrible amount of money ) When I can do ANYTHING it does within Live...

Live rewires because it can give you certain things that regular DAWs(PT,Logic,Cubase etc.) Can't ...(Realtime audio manipulation via session grid)..
A good combination would be another program that does other things...Not the SAME things....( a good example would be maxmsp/bidule/vvvv/pd....)
We already have a linear timeline in arrangement.
so What's the deal???? You have to justify owning a MAC by using Logic???Logic Is Just a better Cubase in my book....nothing to get rowdy about...
as far as I can see LIVE is the most flexible feature rich and complicated of all daws.... just misunderstood and underestimated for being a DJ tool....

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:12 am

3dot... wrote:Hi, I've been an audio engineer for some time now....had worked on all commercial DAWS out there....I have waited a long time for a DAW like live That Actually acts like HW...
...How is Logic any 'deeper' than live or any other DAW ????
Let me rephrase.... I think a person needs 1 DAW.... Why should I even open Logic... (not to mention spend a terrible amount of money ) When I can do ANYTHING it does within Live...

Live rewires because it can give you certain things that regular DAWs(PT,Logic,Cubase etc.) Can't ...(Realtime audio manipulation via session grid)..
A good combination would be another program that does other things...Not the SAME things....( a good example would be maxmsp/bidule/vvvv/pd....)
We already have a linear timeline in arrangement.
so What's the deal???? You have to justify owning a MAC by using Logic???Logic Is Just a better Cubase in my book....nothing to get rowdy about...
as far as I can see LIVE is the most flexible feature rich and complicated of all daws.... just misunderstood and underestimated for being a DJ tool....

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:33 am

Live is retardedly simple compared to most DAW's, and that's it's strength. There's been pages and pages of thread about things other DAW's can do that live can't (and this is not a fault of Live, simplicity is why it's so bad ass), so I'm not sure what you're on about.

If you're in the market for a DAW that acts like hardware, have you looked into RADAR or Sadie? What about some of the standalone systems like Tascams?

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:02 am

Ugh, the direction of this thread is going to feed my inner defensive smartass, but I'll try to calm myself because I know you guys are trying to be helpful. What you are suggesting here is that after countless years of using computer programs that I don't know how to use the "save" function and subsequently open that saved file. At least that is how I am taking the user error theory.

I don't know what the problem is. Corrupted files? Other file/program conflicts? But saying I don't know how to save? Or are you saying Logic throws files where ever it wants or in some mystical project management folder I can't seem to locate anywhere?

Like I said earlier, I'm sure I will be thrilled with Logic the more I learn about it but losing my files or not being able to identify files that I just saved is going to really hold back that learning process.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:18 am

Well, if it's a corrupted file, then that's easy enough to test. you said you only did a couple simple things to the project, so repeat those witha brand new project and see if the same thing happens. If it does, then obviously (and sorry), you're missing some crucial step, or else thousands of Logic users would be screaming for blood.

If not then yes it's possible you have a corrupted file. Just some ideas, not trying to question your skills or knowledge at all. Just saying that if Logic was that prone to not working like that, it wouldn't be one of the main professional DAW out there.

Best bet at this point is to let the experts at prologichelp.com give you some ideas, I'm too new to get that deep into troubleshooting yet. best luck!

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:39 am

Thanks again for trying to help. I'm probably just cranky cause Trent still hasn't accepted my offer of friendship on virb.com.

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:13 am

Tarekith wrote:Live is retardedly simple compared to most DAW's, and that's it's strength. There's been pages and pages of thread about things other DAW's can do that live can't (and this is not a fault of Live, simplicity is why it's so bad ass), so I'm not sure what you're on about.

If you're in the market for a DAW that acts like hardware, have you looked into RADAR or Sadie? What about some of the standalone systems like Tascams?

What's wrong with you man... is there a comprehension problem there???
I have been working for 10 YEARS as a studio engineer with PROTOOLS/CUBASE/LOGIC rewired to live since V2...and Since live4(...as soon as live got vst support) . Today...I use ableton live exclusively...For music, Post-production,recording etc... sending unlimited number of LFOs to my HW synths...I even use it to send Dmx When I VJ.... Before that I used Protools for scoring/dubbing, CubaseSX for music, and logic was our DAW in the studio where I worked...

What I'm sayin' is eventually I found that there is no need for me to even open other DAWs..... Nothing I can do in logic that can't be done in live...
When it's time to master I work with Wavelab ( I like the meters there.) but that's it!

To say that it's simple is silly...
The fact is that it took alot of time and explaining to Show some of my industry buddies all that is Live....And to this day , none of them had truly mastered it (I'm talking about real pro dudes too...)

about the 'pages and pages' of stuff live doesn't do....What, Where?
Group tracks? (it does, people just want to see all the faders 'move'),
I see people wanting a better looking GUI ?(WTF?),
No Dither? (You don't need to dither until you're mastering )
no dual screen support? (c'mon...be serious)
No offline processing? (How about 'Flatten'?)
Nothing is missing in live....(some stuff is lame like the file arrangement, and the 127 param. limit.)....If anything Live gives you more than other DAWS.... not the other way around...
Seriously most of the time the people that say this stuff are misunderstanding something....or just being silly...

What makes Live great is NOT it's simplicity but it's DESIGN / CONCEPT.
No Logic project can get Half as complex as a potentially complex Live project... and now we have a cycling74 collabo coming up....

Of course they could Cram loads of useless features and menus and shite and make it open on 8 screens at once in HD While playing audio tracks and vst in 26fps with tons of automation envelopes on screen and a disappearing transport with tens of hundreds of useless parameters and ....
that would be like the competiton....
And we don't want that DO WE???

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:24 am

Tell trent I said Hi...

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:27 am

word!

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Wed May 23, 2007 5:43 am

3dot...

You are a piece of work.

3dot... wrote:Nothing I can do in logic that can't be done in live...

Time signature changes, markers, score editor, groove templates, importing Rex loops directly, setting the click without messing with the time signature, etc...

Live is cool, but come on. It's has some serious deficiencies.

Every program has strengths and weaknesses.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:28 am

Detailed midi editing, transform functions, parabolic and logarithmic automation or midi curves, mp3 export, intergrated CD burning, cutting and pasting of midi notes, etc.