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Tone Deft wrote:unless you need a metronome, who cares? did a lack of time signatures really prevent you from doing that project?

It DOESN'T fucking work properly.

thelocalhost wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:unless you need a metronome, who cares? did a lack of time signatures really prevent you from doing that project?

It DOESN'T fucking work properly.

lmfao...

Pick a response:
A - Of course it works, you're just too lazy to work with it.
B - Time signatures in Live is about as dumbed down as they get.

Answer A would be more amusing. I think we understand the issue, not much new to say, unless you pick A (please please).

snowtires wrote:so i was bored last night and thought, 'what can i do to occupy my time?' i eventually decided i was going to do a version of the dungeon/labyrinth theme from the original legend of zelda game. and then i realized i couldn't, BECAUSE THERE IS A MEASURE OF 5/4.

you can give me all the 'i don't write prog rock, i don't need time signature automation' excuses you want, the fact that composers had more freedom with time signatures in 1986, writing for the nintendo entertainment system than we do in 2007 writing in live, is a pretty large amount of bullshit

I have no idea why in the 6th iteration of Live, there still isn't proper time signature changes. It's fucking bullshit and completely stifles the creative process.

Tone Deft wrote:

thelocalhost wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:unless you need a metronome, who cares? did a lack of time signatures really prevent you from doing that project?

It DOESN'T fucking work properly.

lmfao...

Pick a response:
A - Of course it works, you're just too lazy to work with it.
B - Time signatures in Live is about as dumbed down as they get.

Answer A would be more amusing. I think we understand the issue, not much new to say, unless you pick A (please please).

I doesn't work. It doesn't (change on the bar) properly in session view. This isn't up for debate.

Are any of your 3400 posts actually useful?

Tone Deft wrote:You didn't start so it wasn't Live that held you back it was you. Just sayin...

More rubbish from you Tone, what is your problem? Not all of us want to use Live to make straight 4/4 tunes of (insert pretty much any electronica genre here).

I would really like to see an "event list" in Live - I don't see how time sig automation could be done "visually" like all the other automation currently available in Live. So an event list with bar position, tempo and time sig - yes, just like Logic - would be ace. Edit: Have this appear down the right-hand side where tutorials and sample management currently go. Ideal.

But no, because Tone Daft *cough* wants to write 4/4 trance numbers, the rest of us obviously don't need time sig automation.

(Although, I will say, right now I'm more concerned that Ableton fix the bloody MIDI timing.)

thelocalhost wrote:Are any of your 3400 posts actually useful?

Hell no, why would I do that when I could be the ranting lunatic against Live's time signature support?

Deep breathes...

In and out and 3 and 4 and 5 and in and out and 3 and 4 and 5 and...

sh*t I don't even know what 4/4 or 5/4 is

go figure

chis wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:You didn't start so it wasn't Live that held you back it was you. Just sayin...

More rubbish from you Tone, what is your problem? Not all of us want to use Live to make straight 4/4 tunes of (insert pretty much any electronica genre here).

I would really like to see an "event list" in Live - I don't see how time sig automation could be done "visually" like all the other automation currently available in Live. So an event list with bar position, tempo and time sig - yes, just like Logic - would be ace. Edit: Have this appear down the right-hand side where tutorials and sample management currently go. Ideal.

But no, because Tone Daft *cough* wants to write 4/4 trance numbers, the rest of us obviously don't need time sig automation.

(Although, I will say, right now I'm more concerned that Ableton fix the bloody MIDI timing.)

wow, the natives are restless.

Look, you can do a song in a 5/11 time signature with a tape recorder, no time signature control there. If you need a 5/11 metronome, make one, follow mode 11 clips, first clip different than the rest, bouce to audio.

I asked if the OP even TRIED or just gave up because people have completely given up on it. I love Live partly because it's so damn flexible and I like the challenge of setting weird shit up. If he didn't even try, who cares, his limitation at that point is himself.

I also know that none of us know how the rest of the forum works, what everyone's skill levels are, where we're all coming from. The limitations are fact, how you let that effect you is up to you. It's all really obvious by now.

That's fine if I work on a project entirely within the arrange view, but scene view? Warping, and tempo detection for the warping, works based on whatever global time signature is set. What we're asking for is, not only proper time sig changes throughout a song, but preferably independent time sigs for each clip.

So yes, I can write in whatever time sigs I want in the arrange view if I ignore the global time sig. But scene view becomes useless.

Now do you understand the problem?

chis wrote:That's fine if I work on a project entirely within the arrange view, but scene view? Warping, and tempo detection for the warping, works based on whatever global time signature is set. What we're asking for is, not only proper time sig changes throughout a song, but preferably independent time sigs for each clip.

So yes, I can write in whatever time sigs I want in the arrange view if I ignore the global time sig. But scene view becomes useless.

Now do you understand the problem?

I didn't consider warping before but I've been in agreement since the last thread on the topic. I completely understand that there are trained COMPOSERS who wish to use Live, and with Live as their main DAW that's pretty basic. If Ableton wants their business and have those composers suggest Live to their friends, they need to implement this feature.

I know I've warped 3/4 tunes but I didn't change from the 4/4 setting. Dunno, I don't rely on the metronome or tick counter. I record, loop and play. I'd have to play with Live to see how warping is effected.

On the other hand saying that you're completely creatively crippled... I think that's a bit of a cop out, push through, figure it out. At least try and see how you get on.

I don't really care but for the sake of avoiding any more ass reamings I agree. Live's treatment of time signatures is a sham, this lack of a feature makes Live not a DAW.

snowtires wrote: it's a matter of tidiness.

It's a matter of anal-retentiveness.

This thread is a perfect example of what happens when dull people grow tired of dwarf porn.

Tone Deft wrote:

thelocalhost wrote:Are any of your 3400 posts actually useful?

Hell no, why would I do that when I could be the ranting lunatic against Live's time signature support?

Deep breathes...

In and out and 3 and 4 and 5 and in and out and 3 and 4 and 5 and...

Hey Tone, its more like in and out 4 and 4 and 4 and 4 and......

Tone Deft wrote:Thinking about this, I think at Ableton HQ they have to ask themselves where to draw the line between a compositional tool and a live performance tool and where to spend the resources. Certainly if Live claimed to be a DAW time signatures are a must, I think this is a case where Live being a performance based tool is causing problems for those who want more of a DAW.

Well if Live was a "performance based tool" it would allow the user to transition between time signatures or multi time signature clips or any combination there of just like ummm you know any dude on an instrument performing would when performing in a band or a group of fellow musicians .

chis wrote:That's fine if I work on a project entirely within the arrange view, but scene view? Warping, and tempo detection for the warping, works based on whatever global time signature is set. What we're asking for is, not only proper time sig changes throughout a song, but preferably independent time sigs for each clip.

So yes, I can write in whatever time sigs I want in the arrange view if I ignore the global time sig. But scene view becomes useless.

Now do you understand the problem?

I don't understand how people can possibly think changing meters in Live is 'fine', or adequate, or it's 'anal-retentiveness'.

Every try performing live and trying to trigger between a clip of 5/4 and 4/4? or 7/8 to 4/4? It only works if you set the smallest 'change' (i.e., 7/8 to 4/4 needs 1/8 launch quantization). It should work as expected with launch quantization set to 1 bar.

It's fucking lame.

It's time for a VIDEO!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chlwQrfPr3g