Burned By Live's "Way" Last Night!

lunabass · Post by **lunabass** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:18 am

thanx for bringing this up jamester.

initially i was with the_planet on wanting to chime in and say "collect all and save". i've always assumed this was all i ever really needed to do. i'd never considered that samples for my presets could be lost.

so how do we want the the live library to actually work? i (like many here) grissle about it a bit but never offer an opinion on how it should work.

i agree with forge, presets should'nt be linked to projects. personally i dont have a problem with there being a sounds folder for every saved preset...this is similar to most sample libraries i've seen anyway.

my other major gripe with the library is the hoops you have to jump through to install some live packs (puremagnetik springs to mind). this is one of those things that should just work!

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:27 am

lunabass wrote:my other major gripe with the library is the hoops you have to jump through to install some live packs (puremagnetik springs to mind). this is one of those things that should just work!

I was thinking about that, IMO a good way to do it might be something like
- click on a .alp file
- Live asks 3 questions
"do you want to install this Live Pack" - puts it into your set
"do you want to import this pack into your Library" - puts it into the library
"do you want to delete the temporary files?" -

Maybe a dialog with check boxes on which operations to perform. We should also be able to do this without closing Live.

I would also like a way to see WHERE stuff was imported, after I did the PureMagnetik stuff I had to browse around to see WHERE stuff was placed, that just sucks. I get that it's organised but I want to jump right in and try my new Live Pack.

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:47 am

Tone Deft wrote:Collect all and save won't fix it.
What's also booty about this is what if he DID save his sample. If he wanted to send me the new Impulse drum kit he'd have to include the f-ing project folder too!!

AAH. Gotcha. That makes sense. I guess it is kinda weak.
I'm not really familiar with that issue because I leave my sample library alone in Documents/samples. There are indeed duplicates (and lots of them) in my project files, but disk space is indeed cheap and plentiful. Since the directory structure is identical in all the computers I've used, I guess I never really noticed. That, and it's pretty quick work to replace samples if they disappear.

I lost SO much work once because I didn't know about "save self contained" (Live 4), and moved my samples to a new directory. That was a bitch.

jasper wrote:AND EVERY SONG FILE WILL CONTAIN DUPLICATES OF AUDIO FILES!!!

I much prefer duplicate samples being contained in project folders to relying on a non-portable directory structure.

jamester · Post by **jamester** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:41 am

Thanks for the responses guys...I'm trying to figure out how I'd like to see this handled, and maybe I'll post in the FR area.

Some really good thoughts here...

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:11 am

Something else quickly...
This would explain why that huge Machine Drum kit is a project folder rather than just a preset file - The samples would not be included otherwise.

Color me learned.

andrewbrewer · Post by **andrewbrewer** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:56 pm

andrewbrewer wrote:i may be totally mistaken here, but i think when you create a preset, you can right-click the preset in the browser and "manage files" ...
if that works ??? then that could be the easiest solution.

hmmm... so i experimented and tried this out. it didn't work, yet. ableton gives me some message about the source audio-file being locked. dangit

sidownes · Post by **sidownes** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:45 pm

I've never seen this discussed before, thought it was just me being a total amateur, but I've lost count of the number of impulse kits that I've lost through similar problems

Syntheme · Post by **Syntheme** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:45 am

I hate this 'feature'. I lost a lot of work by doing this, creating impulse instruments, 'saving' them but then not saving the set!!!

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:13 am

andrewbrewer wrote:
andrewbrewer wrote:i may be totally mistaken here, but i think when you create a preset, you can right-click the preset in the browser and "manage files" ...
if that works ??? then that could be the easiest solution.
hmmm... so i experimented and tried this out. it didn't work, yet. ableton gives me some message about the source audio-file being locked. dangit

Hello,

That should work, anything else would be a bug. Here is how it goes:

-Save the preset, don't close Live (so the samples are still in the temporary folder)
-locate the preset in the Browser, and choose 'manage file' in the right-click menu.
-In the File Manager, click 'yes' to include the samples, and don't forgot to click 'collect and save' at the bottom of the file manager.

Regards,
Amaury

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:17 am

Support my (our) wish!

hoffman2k wrote:An option to turn on/off automanage would be sweet.

Automanage would copy all samples linked to a preset to a folder named "Managed".
Before it does that, it does a quick scan to make sure the sample isn't already there.
Automanage would kick in, each time you save a preset on a sample based device.

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68333

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:29 pm

Amaury wrote:
andrewbrewer wrote:
andrewbrewer wrote:i may be totally mistaken here, but i think when you create a preset, you can right-click the preset in the browser and "manage files" ...
if that works ??? then that could be the easiest solution.
hmmm... so i experimented and tried this out. it didn't work, yet. ableton gives me some message about the source audio-file being locked. dangit
Hello,

That should work, anything else would be a bug. Here is how it goes:

-Save the preset, don't close Live (so the samples are still in the temporary folder)
-locate the preset in the Browser, and choose 'manage file' in the right-click menu.
-In the File Manager, click 'yes' to include the samples, and don't forgot to click 'collect and save' at the bottom of the file manager.

Regards,
Amaury

Amo -
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad the Abes are aware of this. Does the method you outline put the samples into the library (I'm at work without Live right now)? Where in the library would they end up?

condra · Post by **condra** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:17 am

Why cant we simply export out Sampler patch as one file, containing all samples, like a "monolith", "refill" or what have you?

I'd love this option. Would be handy for sharing patches or colaboration.