Old Electrix Repeater users

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Post by montrealbreaks » Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:35 pm

Anonymous wrote: and other quality control problems - I love them, but have to admit they are all pretty noisy. A very sad, and still somewhat mystifying story.
Yeah, I agree that some were noisy. The repeater was grainy, and my Mo-FX hummed like a sex toy, even without the distortion on. I used to have one of each box too (in fact two of the EQ Killers and two Filter Queens). I got rid of 90% of it all.

A side note, I still have one EQ Killer and one Filter queen left. That pairing, with a 10" mixer and expression pedal is one of the best turntablist effects out there. Most turntablists will look down on you for using serious effects, but ever since Mix Master Mike used a wa-wa pedal for the Beastie Boys, that`s one effect that`s semi-legit.

But honestly, I found the physical construction of the electrix gear to be pretty good, and the only noisy pieces were the Mo-FX, Warp Factory and the Repeater - all their digital stuff. The Filter Queen, Filter Factory and EQ Killer all sounded quite good to me.

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Post by Guest » Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:44 pm

WOrd..the filter factory is the bomb diggity for bass, it and the moogerfooger lo pass filter are a crucial part of my rig. No noise problems or any problems at all with the filter factory.

Ryan

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Post by Guest » Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:34 am

Hmmm - it's been a while since I listened to FF or FQ on their own - I do have FF wired in series with Mofx, so maybe I'm mistaked about the noise...

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Post by mocker » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:43 pm

I also use my Electrix repeater on stage synced with Live. They work great together. You can't seriously depend on Live's recording capabilities for an intensive use of on the fly loops. i'm a bass player and if I decide to add a bassline on top of a sequence, I just press record on the Repeater and it's synced. I also sync my Lexicon reverb/delay to Live using the Repeater's midi trhu switch. I tried it the other way round, Repeater as the master, works great too.

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Post by Guest » Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:05 pm

mocker wrote:I also use my Electrix repeater on stage synced with Live. They work great together. You can't seriously depend on Live's recording capabilities for an intensive use of on the fly loops. i'm a bass player and if I decide to add a bassline on top of a sequence, I just press record on the Repeater and it's synced. I also sync my Lexicon reverb/delay to Live using the Repeater's midi trhu switch. I tried it the other way round, Repeater as the master, works great too.
I have to disagree on the Live diss--I use Live live exclusively as my looping device for an all-live (NO pre-recorded material or sequencing) electronica duo. I loop bass, keys, and guitars live (usually 4-6 clips per song) and use FL rewired to record my drum beats on a drumkat into FL step seq. Live has performed flawlessly for dozens upon dozens of gigs, I have my latency with RME at the lowest setting (1 ms in and 2 ms out of Live). I can "seriously depend on Live's recoding capabilities" every week at my gigs. Is there a particular reason you made this comment? I've read a number of posts in these forums slagging live for Live looping (most with no qualifications), but I TOTALLY disagree. Live blows doors off of all hardware options--granted its missing reverse and overdub and some of the echoplex's gating features, but you more than make up with track counts, effects, sends, pans, sliders, .... Other than lacking the features of some hardware, I have yet to hear a solid reason against using Live as a live looper. With a good system and low latency, it simply can't be beat. And don't even get me started on the sound quality, Live definitely beats the pants off hardware for that--you can't really deny that.

Ryan

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Post by montrealbreaks » Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:10 pm

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Post by quandry » Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:31 pm

well put, motrealbreaks. I comes down to personal experieces and what someone is trying to do with their performances (and what instruments they play) that should ultimately determine whether they go hardware, software, or hybrid. Some people just hate the thought of a computer on stage, and others simply don't want to deal with a computer or with taking their hands away from their instruments (with a little planning and a fcb 1010, Live can definitely be a hands-free looper if you like). I think there's been enough begging and intelligent proposals for overdubbing in Live (my idea is to be able to record clips into slots on the sends) that its a matter of time. Same for reverse. In the end, having something that does what you want consistenly, and being comfortable on stage is the most important. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in that Live can indeed be used as a Live looper, with great sucess. Because of its flexibility and the possiblities presented by midi control, Live opens up possibilities far beyond hardware loopers.

The people at our shows are intruiged by the laptop, and because they can see us playing our instruments and looping the parts we're playing Live, the know we're not just hitting play and checking our email. I think having some midi controllers (DM2!) that are visible to the audience and that they can see you manipulating adds a lot too (compared to just using the mouse and computer keyboard).

A bit OT, but I heartily encourage electronic performers that do dancable, beat heavy stuff to get gigs at venues that are open to children. We play at a local pizza place during dinner, and there's always a familiy or two with kids--the kids go nuts and dance and bob their heads--we even signed autographs for a little girl that did portraits of us with her crayons while waiting for her pizza. If only electronica fans were so uninhibited. Once, however, the waitress came up during a song and asked if we could turn down or play something else, as we were scaring one of the kids there (we were just playing a minor sounding reggae tune, nothing too out there). I looked up, expecting to see a 4-6 year old girl, but to my surprise saw a chunky double-digit boy--what a sissy!

Ryan

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Post by Per Boysen » Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:40 pm

He, he... great post!!!! ;-)
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Post by montrealbreaks » Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:03 am

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Post by montrealbreaks » Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:17 am

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Post by Guest » Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:43 am

Montrealbreaks---this is cobbled together from various posts, and a bit windy, but it answers a few of your questions...

My live sets have tons of key and midi assignments, and lots of effects, but they start off each night totally blank with no clips whatsoever. Then its up to me to start recording clips/loops and build up each tune one layer at a time using a 1010 foot pedal, basses, keyboards, and a midi Drumkat that I use to record beats into FL STudio which I have rewired to Live. The other member of the duo plays guitar while all this goes on, and I often loop him. Usually within 2-3 minutes I have 3-4 loops going (bass, key pad, key melody) and a full drum loop going. Then its fun time with effects, sends, and crossfades bringing things in and out and tweaking the sounds.

The 1010 I have set up to trigger recording and playback for clip slots, one of each of the 10 for 9 tracks in Live. The 10th pedal I have mapped to the delete key on the keyboard via bomes midi translator, thus allowing me to delete flubbed loops I'm recording live with a foot pedal, and keep playing my bass/guitar/keyboards. Thats all I have on the 1010 right now, I've thought about setting up some patches on another bank with the 1010's exp pedals tweaking effect parameters, but I haven't needed it yet. You could definitely use it to fire scenes, clips, as a makeshift, non-velocity sensitive kick drum sample trigger, and with bomes midi translator you can map a lot of editing commands (copy, paste, etc.) to pedals. I even use the 1010 when I'm runnig a CAD program to do complex key commands. The beauty of the 1010 is its programmability, coupled with Lives flexible midi routing and midi ox/yoke/bomes (or midipipe and some midi to keystroke translator on mac), you can accomplish almost anything you want. The 1010 can send all sorts of midi commands at once-you can do 5 program changes, 2 control change commands, two control change exp pedals, and one note on/off with a single press of one patch, so no need to translate program messages--just program the 1010 to do exactly what you want.

As far as my live Live set, I have four slots for recording my clips, one for the guitarist, and 5 tracks for drums (kicks, hats, snares, rides, percussion). That way I can effect each drum sound differently and also crossfade them in and out to strip down or build up the beat.

The guitarist uses effects so usually I record/loop him dry. Live 3 is the bomb in this category as I can drag his looping clip that is playing to another track and his sound never really stops. I've started using the DM2 controller to scratch audio I'm recording using FL's scratcher as well--the DM2 is the best $30 I've spent--the free midi software is really deep. I've had a bit of fun with dfx's scrubby as well with the DM2. The joystick rocks for Live's x-y effect screens, and you can save a bunch of DM2 scenes to have the joystick be routed to many parameters in Live. And the cross fader with transformer buttons is fun--tapping rhythms on the transormers is cool.

I'm realizing that for performance having lots of hardware control options with one hand and the mouse with the other (i use an external cordless mouse, screw the touch pad) offers a lot of real time tweaking possibilities to really sculpt the sound. I'm looking forward to getting berhingers knob box to have knobs for all my sends, pans, and faders all at my fingertips at once. The more you can get hardware that does what you do with your mouse, the faster you can flow--especially when you are two handing with hardware and mouse.

Ryan

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Post by Per Boysen » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:16 am

If someone is interested I have posted a "wish list for live looping software" at http://www.looproom.com/wishlist.htm
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Post by montrealbreaks » Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:01 am

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Post by Guest » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:00 pm

..word. It is really flexible, and easy to program. It strange, some posts on these forums imply that it can only send program changes or something, but that is so far from the truth.

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