hoffman2k wrote:
Well they basically copied their Live 6 marketing campaign from a Garageband add-on, so there might be some "hope".
I know you could go on. So can I, so can the other posters.
The logic that "a plugin already exists for this" is a valid reason for Ableton to not make an effect.. Its almost moronic if you consider how few people actually work on things like an effect.
Well personally I'm not fond of embedded plug ins at all. I like VSTs and AU's. When I want to use them in another host, whether that be Numerology, Digital Performer or Logic, I can. Embedded plug ins simply don't make sense to me, and the way I work.
I'm not alone in this, many people start in a big DAW like Logic, then port to Live, then mix down in a big studio with Pro Tools HD etc. The advantage of a real engineer being able to tweak the settings you made on a limiter, or synth are obvious to me.
Take Matthias, one of Abletons programmers, he's responsible for simpler/sampler/beat repeat/...
You think that adding more effects would get in the way of improving midi editing and such? How so?
I never said that, but a programmer is capable generally if he's got good DSP programming skills of working on any part of a DAW I would think. That includes improving keyboard shortcuts and the like.
I doubt that "the guy who programmed beat repeat" would be the missing link in Live's evolution. He's a brilliant guy and its not like he's hogging all of Abletons resources..
I get you, but how long did it take for Ableton to add a simple keyboard shortcut to open and close the browser? There definitly seems to be a limited amount of resources.
Some people talk about Live's MIDI like its the main feature.. Its a feature that got added 2 versions ago. People are bashing it like Ableton should have a better midi editing layout. Which i agree with, but be realistic.. We should be glad that we have MIDI. Actually screw that, i want OSC.
Who wants an ancient MIDI editor if you cant even control it from a bloody touch screen?
Honestly, to a certain degree I am, the synths I play live in Live are actually in Live now instead of running stand alone.... but the MIDI always tempts me, and I write starts of songs in Live, and at some point get frustrated with click dragging the mouse around the screen every second or so to arrange the screen to edit a MIDI part etc. that I go back to Logic, and I really don't want to.
The new computers I've been able to buy last year are all fast enough to run Live for me without freezing, I like the performance features in Live immensely, it's the composition side that becomes annoying when I compare it to other DAWs on my computer. Initial composition is king, but getting a song polished is where I find Live is still behind.
Sure, it's true that Live just recently got MIDI, but I don't think that's the issue really, it's the mindset, and one that Apple have been guilty of as well, of limiting features to the ones that make the most sense to the layman. In Live's case not adding features like an event list; the most basic MIDI editing tool in every other DAW out there. Sure the single screen concept has some advantages, and I remember reading an early article on Live where one of the developers talked about how he really disliked the floating edit window concept in other DAWs, but after a while I get to the point to where I wish there was some way to open up the piano roll editor or audio editor to full screen or half screen via a keyboard shortcut. But hey, that's just not a flashy new feature, so we'll get a mastering limiter, that may or may not be as decent as the ones I bought, or the pretty cool free ones out there.
Honestly, something as technical to program as a mastering limiter would probably end up being a paid add on. Then, when you take your final album of tracks to the big Pro Tools studio with the nice analogue gear etc. and realize that the Live audio tracks in Pro Tools that make up your song could use one last hit with the mastering limiter in Live, but guess what? it's an embedded plug in, so you can't use it in Pro Tools! Unlike the ones I own that come in AU, VST, and RTAS.
