SONAR 7

[gomi]

There have been a lot of post on here about Logic 8 for the Mac guys. Well, check out what Cake has done for all of us pc users.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/ ... atures.swf
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/default.asp

it's not much different from 6, which i have used a lot for live tracking and
mixing at a studio.

full 64 bit is nice (although HIGHLY MISLEADING)

and most of the midi things are just fixes to stuff it should have had in the
first place.



i got sonar 6 running like hot sweet butter on a little p4 2.8 cube system with a
delta 1010 pci interface, it never crashes and i've never run out of steam
on it, nothing compells me here to get 7 (and a new computer to run it)


logic 8 however is on it's way to me!!!
rewiring live will be fun.

[leedsquietman]

If Reaper continues to develop at the same pace in the next 18 months as the last 18 months, then we shall be seeing a few casualties among the bigger more established names. Sonar - Cubase - Logic be worried. Very worried. But this is quite a big IF for Reaper and the more they put in the more bloated and bug ridden it will become. Then will they be able to sustain the service they have provided so far...hmm, interesting, we shall see....

BTW, Cubase 4 will soon be on 4.1 which is supposed to be a major update and frankly, the new Sonar doesn't have too much on Cubase 4 as it is, and it's interface is still a horrible cluttered mess IMHO, which is why Cubase is still preferable, and Steinberg if not in Cubase 4, in the next release will have all the 64 bit architecture and other 'hype' features, which has more to do with marketing spiel than real benefit to the end user.

And very likely I'll still be using Live to get the core of the work done in any case, whether it's Cubase, SOnar, Logic, whatever as when you're composing/arranging in Live, it just works for efficient workflow as opposed to running up a steep hill backwards which all the other DAWS make you feel.

[kb420]

It seems to me that only true Sonar users appreciate the update. It does present some improvements that users have been waiting on for some time now. Namely side chaining and better midi editing. To me, those features alone make it worth the update, but to each his own.

[headquest]

I should have thought that Cubase users would find Sonar more and more tempting, considering V-Vocal, the quality of its audio plugs, DX support, customer service, sidechaining, etc. But people do tend to stay quite loyal to their host/investment, however much they might moan about it

[leedsquietman]

fair comments - but time and again, Cubase comes out ahead in DAW shootouts and at cubase.net there are quite a few Sonar defectors who will happily tell you why they jumped ship. But as you rightly say, it's easy to criticize the other side and familiarity breeds contempt of other alternatives.

At least Cubase has significantly improved it's virtual instruments in C4. And yes, some people are royally pissed off about the dropping of DX support, although wrappers work in 99% of cases albeit any automation presets are lost in C4. But a lot of Cubase users have never had much use for DX, just as Sonar users once upon a time had little use for VST as they adopted the DX protocol.

V-Vocal is an interesting VST but not one I would find much daily use of. Cakewalk used their heads though in developing these 3rd party relationships with roland, sonitus, kjaerhus and so on. Not knocking the power of Sonar at all, I just can't get on with it's GUI mainly. Used Cubase on PC since vst 3.5 and had some experience with it on the Atari ST way back, so forgive my tunnel vision !

[jamester]

If Reaper continues to develop at the same pace in the next 18 months as the last 18 months, then we shall be seeing a few casualties among the bigger more established names.

Reaper will be incorporating ElastiquePro in its official 2.0 release; this is the same time/pitch stretching Live uses:

http://www.zplane.de/showPage.php?SPRAC ... products11


Not that I see Reaper really competing with Live (as compared to Sonar/Cubase), but interesting that it's getting this technology. We also recently got a "pencil tool" ala Acid to paint clips with, which is a neat feature to have again (I stopped using Acid years ago).