Please help if you can! This problem is makin me think twice

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Post by djritchie » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:36 pm

nope, this isnt what im talking about - i think i few ppl understand what i am trying to get across here, the fact im using guru is of no odds, thats just an example.... basically, u start a track with a kik drum, then after 4 bars u want to add hats, then clap, then more perc - then for a breakdown u want to slowly bring out all elements 1 by 1 after each bar (for example)...I cannot see an easy way of doing this. if u program your drums in impule they all go on the same track - is there an easy way of splitting the pattern accross several tracks!! i think not by the looks of it!

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Post by hoffman2k » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:43 pm

If you want to filter out notes... use the scale plugin.
If you want loads of sounds in one track, use racks.
If you want individual clips for individual sounds, start saving clips as Live clips.

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Post by pulsoc » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:50 pm

djritchie wrote:nope, this isnt what im talking about - i think i few ppl understand what i am trying to get across here, the fact im using guru is of no odds, thats just an example.... basically, u start a track with a kik drum, then after 4 bars u want to add hats, then clap, then more perc - then for a breakdown u want to slowly bring out all elements 1 by 1 after each bar (for example)...I cannot see an easy way of doing this. if u program your drums in impule they all go on the same track - is there an easy way of splitting the pattern accross several tracks!! i think not by the looks of it!
I think the Mute buttons on impulse should allow you to do this. Mute everything, then unmute your kick, then unmute your hih, etc.

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Post by djritchie » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:56 pm

hmmm... not really feeling any of these methods are as good as FL-Studio or Logic but i appreciate the comments and will experiment further, cheers

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Post by Gtrance » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:51 pm

I might have completely cracked up and dont understand a single post in this thread but this is what I do which to me is dead simple and "I think" would solve your problem.

Dont use impulse or any other drum machine. Use simpler. One simpler for each drum sound. So you have one track for each drum sound and the midi data for each drum sound is on its own track.

Is this not the solution or do I need to go and lie down for a while?

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Post by mike holiday » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:11 pm

using one impulse, you can make 9 midi tracks and 8 audio tracks. Having each midi track (the 9th has impulse in it) control one impulse slot, and each audio track contain one sound from impulse.

what exactly are you trying to do?
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Post by chrysalis33rpm » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:02 pm

mike holiday wrote:using one impulse, you can make 9 midi tracks and 8 audio tracks. Having each midi track (the 9th has impulse in it) control one impulse slot, and each audio track contain one sound from impulse.

what exactly are you trying to do?
If I understand him correctly that seems like the best solution.

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Post by sweetjesus » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:09 pm

mike holiday wrote:using one impulse, you can make 9 midi tracks and 8 audio tracks. Having each midi track (the 9th has impulse in it) control one impulse slot, and each audio track contain one sound from impulse.

what exactly are you trying to do?

this is indeed what u should be looking at :)

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Post by DJ VAKIS » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:31 pm

compositeone wrote:I tend to build my patterns on one track to start, then when I have the basic pattern I duplicate that track as many times as needed and then just remove the midi notes from the clips.

So if I make a beat with a kick, snare and hat I would duplicate this track twice so I have 3 tracks. Then on the first one delete all the midi notes for the snare and hat, on the second delete the notes for the kick and hat and the third delete the notes for kick and snare. I then have each thing on its own track.

You don't want to use this method though if you are long way into a track cause you might have shed loads of small clips that you will need to remove notes from. Its fine for when you are starting from scratch and doesn't take as long as my description might suggest.
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Post by beats me » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:51 pm

djritchie wrote:nope, this isnt what im talking about - i think i few ppl understand what i am trying to get across here, the fact im using guru is of no odds, thats just an example.... basically, u start a track with a kik drum, then after 4 bars u want to add hats, then clap, then more perc - then for a breakdown u want to slowly bring out all elements 1 by 1 after each bar (for example)...I cannot see an easy way of doing this. if u program your drums in impule they all go on the same track - is there an easy way of splitting the pattern accross several tracks!! i think not by the looks of it!
I don't know about the rest of the advice here but to do this specific thing:

On a drum track create a clip. In that clip just write in or tap in your bass drum.

Right click that track and select "duplicate" and a duplicate clip will be automatically created below that one.

Select that clip and then write or tap in your snare.

Right click that track and select "duplicate" and a duplicate clip will be automatically created below that one.

Select that clip and tap or write in your hats....

See where the pattern is going here? Just keep repeating those steps and you will create some new clips building on the previous clip. Then you will have a bunch of clips to choose from when you want to do different break downs.

Part of your problem might be not understanding the workflow of Live just yet.

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Post by diego vega » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:12 pm

yes I'm thinking what beats me just said....it's probably that... simple beat programming using "clips" in the session view. Maybe he is using arrangement view and when you have a clip there and change the pattern, it changes the whole pattern so he can't progress the song. Just make individual copies of each clip with different patterns inside each one and arrange them or play them manually.

Also he could be asking about inserting individual FX for each drum sample and not the whole drum set?
If you want to do that you just route the audio from the impulse channel to a separate audio channel for each drum sound, in this new audio channel in the IN select the impulse channel and below that select the drum sound. Then just insert the desired FX on the channel. Repeat for each drum sample.

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Post by mike holiday » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:49 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
mike holiday wrote:using one impulse, you can make 9 midi tracks and 8 audio tracks. Having each midi track (the 9th has impulse in it) control one impulse slot, and each audio track contain one sound from impulse.

what exactly are you trying to do?

this is indeed what u should be looking at :)
then you can even go a step further and route all that audio into another audio track for sub-mixing..

and then collapse all the tracks to optimize screen space. :D
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Post by djritchie » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:10 am

i appreciate all comments! it seems that live people aint the usual arrogant (i know better) community that i was faced with in the FL-Stidio days. Aggreed im yet to fully understand Live's workflow and ive now sussed a good method of doing what i wanted to do by using a combination of all your ideas.

Thanks again - i will post up the tune i was workin on last nite so u can see EXACTLY where i am comin from! lol - or should i say "hear" either way - im lovin Live at the moment - I knew exactly what u was doin in FL Studio, worked it out inside and out - im relishing the new challenge tho!

peace

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Re: Please help if you can! This problem is makin me think t

Post by wilxon » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:42 am

djritchie wrote:Its easy in Logic and FL-Studio!
:lol: was that depending on if you had a mac day or a windows day?? :lol:

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Post by djritchie » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:51 am

wish i had a mac day! logic 5.5.1 un4tunatly!

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