padkontrol vs mpd (again)

[rupture]

I should add that i am also running and Edirol pcr-80 so the extra knobs and sliders on the akai are not really relevant...

[Machinate]

What was it that made the korg better?
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the sensitivity - the padKontrol is just *by far* the better candidate, acheiving levels of sensitivity that the others just can't reach, even after sens. tweaking.

And the roll/flam/hold features of the padKontrol are great, too, they're just not what should be governing the choice that's all.

The reason to get an MPD24 (we are talking about the 24, right?) would be if you needed to have more controller knobs etc. I stuck with the padK. because I have all the continuous controllers I need, and the triggering is sublime.

Like, ever see those movie clips with people programming beats on their mpc? They all seem to use more than one finger per pad, and they're banging away... looks really uncomfortable, actually. The PadKontrol can be played much like a keyboard, with one finger per pad.

[rikhyray]

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I do play a djembe / bongo, which (altho technique will be completely different) is why i want pads to be sensitive to a nice light touch. (and cant afford handsonic)

Why do you rate the triggerfinger? Absolutely everyone else seems to hate it and tbh the m-audio stuff is normally more like a toy.

Also, could you elaborate a little - why is the korg the weakest? Need to know so i can make my judgements...

Then forget about Korg, looks better then TF ( ugly mofo I thought of airbrushing it) but it is rally cheap, light , plastic toy, you have to Gafa tape it to play. pads randomly trigger other pads then played ( we tested 2 dozens of tpadKontrol. and the bloody Korg company says it has to be like that, Korg is the most fucked up company of them all they recently tried to convince me that 60 V on the chassis of Entrancer is OK !!!!!! It is not mine Entrancer but all of them ever made.
I can have much lighter touch since apart from Latin percussion I play tabla , mrdangam, ghatam. Like Machinate ( we tried padKontrol same day) loved padKontrol on the first sight but then actually having it for few weeks realised it is useless for me.
Trgger finger surprised me how well it feels- see the master anyway
Be warned AKAI does not equal best, MPD 16 was the worst pads I ever had and supposedly they were same like all MPC.
The best pad player I ever seen/heard - Ellis http://www.kreativsounds.com/ayros-namm ... -reason-3/
, shifted from Trigger finger to MPD24, so there must be something good about it anyway see how good Triggerfinger works for him

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I do play a djembe / bongo, which (altho technique will be completely different) is why i want pads to be sensitive to a nice light touch. (and cant afford handsonic)

Why do you rate the triggerfinger? Absolutely everyone else seems to hate it and tbh the m-audio stuff is normally more like a toy.

Also, could you elaborate a little - why is the korg the weakest? Need to know so i can make my judgements...

Then forget about Korg, looks better then TF ( ugly mofo I thought of airbrushing it) but it is rally cheap, light , plastic toy, you have to Gafa tape it to play. pads randomly trigger other pads then played ( we tested 2 dozens of tpadKontrol. and the bloody Korg company says it has to be like that, Korg is the most fucked up company of them all they recently tried to convince me that 60 V on the chassis of Entrancer is OK !!!!!! It is not mine Entrancer but all of them ever made.
I can have much lighter touch since apart from Latin percussion I play tabla , mrdangam, ghatam. Like Machinate ( we tried padKontrol same day) loved padKontrol on the first sight but then actually having it for few weeks realised it is useless for me.
Trgger finger surprised me how well it feels- see the master anyway
Be warned AKAI does not equal best, MPD 16 was the worst pads I ever had and supposedly they were same like all MPC.
The best pad player I ever seen/heard - Ellis http://www.kreativsounds.com/ayros-namm ... -reason-3/
, shifted from Trigger finger to MPD24, so there must be something good about it anyway see how good Triggerfinger works for him

Ok, with all respect to Machinate I think I'm gonna listen to you rikhyray as you seem to have experience and a similar requirement to me, although I think I'm gonna get the MPD (24) as I just can't bring myself to trust M-audio.

Thanks.

[Dominik]

yes, sure rikhyray is right.

[rupture]

yes, sure rikhyray is right.

Is that sarcastic? If so, do you not find any of the mentioned probs with the korg?

[dancerchris]

Go test them for yourself, only you have your criteria.

The Korg has the most sensitive pads because the sensitivity is uniformly spread across the pads. The other manufacturers have a distinctly centered sensitivity and a deadness around the edges. (More so with the TF than the MPD). People who have had problems with the Korg triggering other pads usually have the sensetivity cranked too high for their playing style (there are 7 settings). I own the Korg and find it to be just fine with no unwanted triggers. But to be honest it could be of more robust build quality, I'd not want to go on the road with it or drop it too many times. I use it in studio only.

[senator adam]

Also, MAudio stuff breaks easily.. I have 2 of their controllers and sliders on both are starting to fail (not work at all..). The pad is stiff as well, but it works for what is needed...

[Thinktanx]

Well, I'll say a little something against the MPD24 here. I haven't ever played the PadKontrol, so I can't compare the two, but I can say if you're thinking the pads on the MPD wil be great because of the MPC's, then think again.

I had the MPD24, but sold it because it killed my fingers, and, yes, I know you can adjust the sensitivity, and did adjust it. The problem is not about sensitivity, it's about the fact that the pads have very little give. If you tap on a table top for a couple of hours you're fingers are gonna start throbbing, know what I mean?

But, like I said, I can't vouch for the PadKontrol or any other controller. I just know that the pads on the MPD do not compare at all, imo, to the pads on the MPC2500 or MPC1000.

[JaySmuv]

Here's a post on the Korg forums about adjusting the sensitivity. Although I've never had a different pad trigger when I hit a pad, this is supposed to resolve it: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=22019

I have a padKONTROL and I think it works great. I can get a wide range of velocities when playing the pads regardless of where I hit them.

Buy from a place with a 30 day return policy and play the shit out of whichever one you choose to be sure you like it.

[rikhyray]

Just to clarify that, it is not about the sensitivity adjustment but overall design/construction. When I found it out, I brought it back to the shop and then we examined whole batch and they were all having the problem, though in very random way- which pads would"pair" while triggering.. Söme were worse some better, the shop wanted to send all of them back but the answer from Korg was that they are "like that". Since I liked it and MPD 24 wasnt even in sight, selected the best of the stock.
That is why I advice anyone who wants to get one to actually try before buying, possibly select piece that works the best.
The easiest way to find very faulty one- activate the lights ( you might not hear the particular sound but you will see), slightly lift it and tap lightly the whole pK on the table.Bad ones will have 4 or more pads lighting, a good piece only if you do it harder or not at all. pK can be still very much usable despite this design flaw, if you detect this phenomenon there is another work around set the double triggering pads in musically sensible way like BD+HH so worse comes worse it wont be too bad.

[BinaryB]

My flatmate has a TriggreFinger he never uses. I loved my MPD24 but sold it.
Now I got a PadKONTROL and I am using it more than i ever used the mpd24.

The PK lights are MUCH better if you play out.
If you assign CC# values the pads are lit up during standby.
If you assign Note values the pads are not lit during stand by.(or other way round?)
I have the middle two rows assigned to light up so It is easy to navigate the grid in the dark.

The sensitivity of the Korg is perfect for triggering pads - like using a crossfader.
I tapped mine on the table and only 1 or 2 pads trigger so... ?

The akai pads are nice but NO they are NOT LIKE MPC pads.
(which series are they talkin' bout ? Pre or Post - 2000XL ? )
I got sick of thumping on the MPD24. Not like either of my 2000XL's or 1000 i have owned.

The Hold button on the PadKontrol is very ergonomic for performances. Akai doesnt have it.
The scene select button on the PK is very ergonomic for performances.
The Akai rotary knob is cool but not for quick turntablist type programme changes.
It makes it like you got 16 PadKONTROLS at the touch of a button and you can see the scene light up as a pad.
Better than turning a knob and looking at the LCD.

Such a shame... THERE IS ROOM FOR 4 KNOBS on the PadKONTROL...

4 sturdy continuous controllers on the PadKontrol 2 and its game over for a lot of peeps.

[ethios4]

...Korg is the most fucked up company of them all they recently tried to convince me that 60 V on the chassis of Entrancer is OK !!!!!! It is not mine Entrancer but all of them ever made.

What's this about? What does "60 V on the chassis" mean?

[Dominik]

it sound like a good advise to test this kind of instruments more then other,before buying.
i think the two knobs are assignable to each scene,so you have a lot more knobs available...

[BinaryB]

i think the two knobs are assignable to each scene,so you have a lot more knobs available...

Yes each scene has its own touchpad and knobs.

4 available at once... with the 4X4 pads it would make a lot of sense.

And 64 knobs instead of 32 would be nice.