Beatport DJ Competition won't allow Ableton

ekwipt · Post by **ekwipt** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:49 pm

Beatport is p[partners with Native instruments, not Serato

compositeone · Post by **compositeone** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:27 pm

Beat Port has always been totally retarded and had their heads stuck in there collective arses for a good while.

I used to continually criticise there policy for remix competitions, of making you buy the parts. A few days after a particularly good criticising session, as this time they were charging per verse, you couldn't post any more without being registered. I found that particularly satisfying.

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:58 pm

So how is the beat warping in Live any different to the beat sync capabilities of tractor etc?

The only difference is that Live's analysis algorythm seems better for beat extraction than that in tracktor and others, and that live will stick useful warp marker in that seem to do a reason first pass job of dealing with non-click track recording where the tempo varies a little over the track.

It would make more sense if they said no computers or any other kind of sync or key matching assistance to also rule out using some of the more advanced mixers and DJ/remix tools out there.

Either way - I think this is bollox - the real point should be - could you do it as a live set - whether using pre-warped tracks in live or whether doing it with vinyl the old fashioned way - and let it be completely freestyle.

Then at least those real remixers with the ability to go way beyond the mechanics of beat and key matching and cranking the filter/eq knob occasionally can get real creative and really illustratrate the difference between what you can do the old way and what you can do using new tools - ie let the focus be on musical creativity rather than mechanical 'skillz'.

Of course the reality here - Beatport have been associated with Tracktor and NI for a while now - so they dont want more advanced tools showing them up...

mohler · Post by **mohler** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:12 pm

Personally that's a load of Bollix.

I totally agree with Dj ritchie that if you just fade between pre-beat synced material you shouldn't bother entering and that we have to power to do way more.

I'd be super surprised if 10% of the stuff that we are "TOLD" is mixed by DJ so&so and is packaged up for the main stream isn't just complied by them from the tracks that they could get licensed and fixed up in Protools. That's the rumor on the internet anyway...

I'm not talking about the super geeky mixes from specialist labels and I'd be surprised if the Global underground series was done that way but I've heard a ton of crap that was and sold on a double CD.

I understand what they are trying to get at but honestly I think that DJing has changed and I don't know that many purists that are able to stick to 100% vinyl. Of course it should be about capturing a performance but loads of DJ (many of us included) chose to use the best tools available to allow us to perform to the best of our technical ability. I think I'm a much more versatile performer because I don't have my head stuck in a box of records with my back to the crowd and spending x seconds per track cueing & beat matching & not concentrating on the job in hand.

It's way more responsive and direct and you can change direction in seconds....

OK OK I've had a bit of a pissy day so I'll stop there before I say something I'll regret.

chrysalis33rpm · Post by **chrysalis33rpm** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:27 pm

Khazul wrote: - the real point should be - could you do it as a live set - whether using pre-warped tracks in live or whether doing it with vinyl the old fashioned way - and let it be completely freestyle.

Agreed.

Scube · Post by **Scube** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:39 pm

It's so obvious...Beatport sells you MP3 tracks but it's understood that you have to transfer them on vinyls...

Scube

ARDJ · Post by **ARDJ** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:48 pm

Scube wrote:It's so obvious...Beatport sells you MP3 tracks but it's understood that you have to transfer them on vinyls...

Scube

i lol'd.

Gtrance · Post by **Gtrance** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:53 pm

I think most of you are mis-unerstanding the post. I know it says about beatmatching in real time but I think all they are getting at is not to record a pre-sequenced mix on a computer but to do it all in real time. Obviously you dont beat match in ableton but I dont think they are saying you cant use ableton, so long as you record what you are doing live, and not pre done in arrangement view.

This is how i understand it...

ARDJ · Post by **ARDJ** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:17 pm

Gtrance wrote:I think most of you are mis-unerstanding the post. I know it says about beatmatching in real time but I think all they are getting at is not to record a pre-sequenced mix on a computer but to do it all in real time. Obviously you dont beat match in ableton but I dont think they are saying you cant use ableton, so long as you record what you are doing live, and not pre done in arrangement view.

This is how i understand it...

it specifically says in order to qualify you must beatmatch live. you can't do that with ableton, unless you warped on the fly

Scube · Post by **Scube** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:24 pm

Anyway... Considering that the 99.99% of vinyl DJs mix their tracks for 4 measures at most and that they spent the 99.99% of their time in body performances, I think that the formula "vinyl DJ = professional DJ" is a bit rush.

Scube

Gtrance · Post by **Gtrance** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:24 pm

I know it does but I think they've said that without thinking that people who use live technically don't beatmatch. I think they've said it just to make the point of not doing something pre recorded.

If they allow someone to use tracktor to enter. Surely that means that they will allow that person to use traktor when they play in the club, should they win the comp.

If they are happy for someone to use a laptop with Traktor in the club, why on earth wouldnt they allow someone to do the same thing but with ableton?

That doesn't make sense to me which is why I just think they said that not realising that ableton users might interpret it differently.

EDIT- I'm referring to ardjs post

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:28 pm

Scube wrote:Anyway... Considering that the 99.99% of vinyl DJs mix their tracks for 4 measures at most and that they spent the 99.99% of their time in body performances, I think that the formula "vinyl DJ = professional DJ" is a bit rush.

Scube

LOL and how many times have you seen DJs sat on the floor of the DJ booth out of sight passing a joint around while the body plays...

Some clubs in a certain part of london come to mind

karmaofdove · Post by **karmaofdove** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:33 pm

I've read in the comments section at the bottom of the announcement for this competition that it is Felix da Housecat that had made this stipulation, not Beatport.

"Terry Church said at 3:53am on Wed, October 17, 2007 []

It’s a rule that Felix Da Housecat has asked to be included."

That pretty much tells you what Felix thinks of people like us who have made the move over from traditional vinyl to digital.

There are a lot of old time DJs that still don't get the fact that the medium is evolving and that it is not enough to simply beat match a record, which a trained monkey can do.

1ntelligent Fraud · Post by **1ntelligent Fraud** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:39 pm

Felix just doesn't want a DJ that can mix better than he can.

mohler · Post by **mohler** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:58 pm

zenmonk wrote:
There are a lot of old time DJs that still don't get the fact that the medium is evolving and that it is not enough to simply beat match a record, which a trained monkey can do.

A computer to do it!

Ask it to pick good tunes and respond to the crowd! Or drop some wicked sample for an out of genre classic at the right place/tempo etc might take some epic programming!

Good word Scube, spot on on the transfer to vinyl comment!

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