Rock and metal beats

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:32 pm

but then you're back to square one, innit? I mean, then buying a sample-cd just cannot be justified. I think that argument is taking it a bit too ad absurdum.

If you're saying that the soul isn't in the instrument - it's in the musician, then by that logic anyone can create their own sound using generic tools. It's not the tool, it's how you use it, right?

Best,
Andreas

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:41 pm

charliegelada wrote:But, if I might add... DFH is fine, not impeccable. And, studio standard is another way to say GENERIC. That's why no one has a recognizable drum sound anymore. When Bonham, Moon, Van Halen kicked in, you knew who the drummer was. When the latest Hoobastank tune comes in, I doubt that recognition is there. Chalk that up to "studio standard" samples like DFH.

So you're saying the player is generic, not the sounds. That's like saying anyone who uses a Strat will sound the same.
Thousands of drummers use Ludwig 402 or Slingerland Radio King snares in the studio - very few of them sound alike. It's the player, not the tools. DfH just gives you a set of tools.

charliegelada · Post by **charliegelada** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:57 am

I guess the players AND the sounds are generic. Perhaps that is over generalizing for all modern players but as far as that "rock sound" you're creaming your pants over in DFH, then that is pretty generic. It's doubtful there are thousands of guys who play the same snares, same tunings, heads, rooms, etc. The bland studio sounds today come from standardized sample packages that augment the live sounds.

Anything that is overused ceases to be a viable and vital tool. It just seems that great artists transcend the mere tools of mortals.

God, this is boring now! Who cares at the end of the day anyway?!.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:05 am

Anything that is overused ceases to be a viable and vital tool. It just seems that great artists transcend the mere tools of mortals.

God, this is boring now! Who cares at the end of the day anyway?!

true. true. and true.

Now: more beta!

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:01 pm

Drumkit From Hell is not overrated. The samples can be used to setup a velocity triggered drum set. Even if you have to make the beats by hand you can control the velocity of each hit and it much more realistic.

Personally I do not use any loops of other drummers. Before I had a Roland V-Drum kit I just built the loops myself. Maybe I am some sort of purists and rather create all my own sounds but I just can't use other drummers loops. I need to create them myself.

Do your self a favor, get DKF 1 and load up the samples and makes some beats. Making them yourself is more satisfying.

MrTom · Post by **MrTom** » Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:03 pm

Check Discrete Drums.

I just ordered the Heavy Mental Bundle.

There is one set of CDs with Stereo Loops, one set with with seperate tracks(
BD, Snare, Toms etc) and one set with individual samples.

The demos are very exciting in regards of sound and style.

Using Live you will have endless combinations and easy editing (eg. adapting a bass drum pattern but keeping the rest of a loop)

I think the bundle is 360$, but you can start for example with the stereo loops set, which is sold seperately.

Peter Doubt · Post by **Peter Doubt** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:18 am

My fave rock stuff to sample is 70s "Big Dumb Rock" kinda stuff.....Nazereth, Foghat, Kiss, AC/DC.......theres some great beats there...if you use propellerheads Recycle! you can really have fun with them.....mix em up so theyre unrecognizable yet sound familiar.
Black Sabbaths "war pigs" has a good fill like every two measures.

Rock and metal beats

DFH is not ovverated.