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kids are going to be kids - in the 80's it was new wave (the breakfast club type attitude) in the 90's and beyond hi-hop culture has def taken over

I agree the music world has it's fair share of studio gangsters but if you have spent time around drug dealers, addicts and basically people in that world you can def tell the difference from the fake and the real

Jeezy, Joc, birdman, wayne, rick ross I don't think they're faking the funk...

leedsquietman wrote:None of them.

They're all bad cliches and stereotypes with their bling, hoes, hard luck stories and immature behaviour.

Gangsta rap was so 1990's for me, once you've heard one 'mean mutha' trying to get rich or die tryin' you've heard the lot.

I mean some repetitive things never go out of fashion (jeans, the funky drummer and Amen Break samples etc) but other things (gangstaz included) gets old real fast...

+1. Modern Gangsta Rap is the new Hair Metal. I can't wait to see what the big stick to bury it will be. What is the rap Nirvana going to be? Getcher popcorn ready.

Nogi wrote:
+1. Modern Gangsta Rap is the new Hair Metal. I can't wait to see what the big stick to bury it will be. What is the rap Nirvana going to be? Getcher popcorn ready.

you know what's funny - they said almost verbatim what you just wrote on a radio station we have here in Seattle called KISW - a really funny afternoon show called the MENS ROOM was on the exact subject

they compared the rap of right now to the bad heavy metal bands of the 80's that basically killed rock until seattle (of all places) resurrected rock from the dead

in the late 80's / early 90's a lot of people wouldn't admit they even listened to rock because bands like RATT, POISON and the such just ruined it

I'm not really in a position to agree or disagree with those statements at this moment (right now)

Nogi wrote:What is the rap Nirvana going to be? Getcher popcorn ready.

uh, that was like 20+ years ago. I'd say NWA's Straight Outta Compton, it was the album that commercialised the genre, spun off successful acts and is still a kick ass album whose cuts you'll still hear out in public.


rap threads are mostly whining 'I hate rap' y'all sound like my mom. like I always post;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9A2I-X7b-w <--- Chris Rock - I love rap music, tired of defending it.


Ice Cube - like his delivery, smooth style and beats. shout out to the Ghetto Boys while I'm at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RY-eJgHHs <-- Today Was A Good Day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL9ihXiFAko <-- Damn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta <-- good morning music before a tough day

td, you a smart man. all good choices...

I agree there to - it's like all these music aficionado's want to praise the fore fathers of gangster rap but not give any of the off spring their due credit

when in fact - the beats, lyrics and content of todays gangster rap far exceed the (then fresh get me wrong not) kind of stale and forced lyrics and rhymes of yesteryear

I love me some NWA and me and my girl were listening to "Dopeman" on the way to our holiday retreat when she so aptly noted "wow, this is so funny to listen to now, especially when this was all we listened to as kids."

I agree

I always wondered what all the people who say "they just rap about hoes, rims, drugs, and grills" think they should be rapping about?

oh... and I can't believe I forgot to mention Trick Daddy. His verses on the new Dj Khaled are great.

nah, not too much is different between rappers then and now. the main difference is today's music is made with protools, which is like a drug for your ears. thats why it "sounds better." but like a drug, you come down off your high, and need another fix, the same but different, and a little bit stronger. shit should be illegal

C.S. wrote:I always wondered what all the people who say "they just rap about hoes, rims, drugs, and grills" think they should be rapping about?

oh... and I can't believe I forgot to mention Trick Daddy. His verses on the new Dj Khaled are great.

education, Martin Luther King and strong proud black women

<-- that's a joke I love all those things

but that would be boring

like dance music without a baseline

djadonis206 wrote:when in fact - the beats, lyrics and content of todays gangster rap far exceed the (then fresh get me wrong not) kind of stale and forced lyrics and rhymes of yesteryear

I love me some NWA and me and my girl were listening to "Dopeman" on the way to our holiday retreat when she so aptly noted "wow, this is so funny to listen to now, especially when this was all we listened to as kids."

I agree

I love pumping Dopeman really loud, lyrics that slam like a sledgehammer. the delivery is just HUGE! the beats are minimal, change up often enough and never stop thumping.

or Q Tip's flow on Excursion's opening, first 30 seconds;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z433GvEoyrU
actually Tip is talking about this same topic we are, shout outs to previous generations. I dig the older stuff, some like the new stuff, but roots is roots whether it's NWA and Be Bop or Bobby Brown and Michael.


"yo I'll slap you upside your head with 9 inches of limpdick!!"

speaking of gangsta rap - I totally should be at home watching the wire

oh well I do love my job

it's nice

c.s.


the current state of the economy, and how shallow spending is weakening the dollar.

oh, wait. i listen to rap entertained

look, my whole thing with current mainstream rap is that a lot of it sounds the same. i just cant here 20 versions of the same song, eight times a day. same with country, rock, electronic etc. i prefer to be a couple of years behind, by not listening to any radio, and finding out about songs after the radio is done with it.

i had a b-day party last night, and we discussed this very topic. so for a little more coal on the fire: master p- ghetto dope, and of course(rip)ugk- ridin' dirty

Tone Deft wrote:

Nogi wrote:What is the rap Nirvana going to be? Getcher popcorn ready.

uh, that was like 20+ years ago. I'd say NWA's Straight Outta Compton.

I don't think you got my meaning. For the record, I already own all the same seminal rap records that everyone else does so no real insight there. It's just my intuition that the gangsta hype-culture thing is played out. It seems like we as a collective are overdue to get real again. I realize there are plenty of underground artists working overtime but who will carry it to the world at large.

My analogy was more like:

Nirvana made all those hair band party-hardy/money-grubbing/tit-grabbers look pretty chump and stopped them dead in their tracks. Who will step up in the rap world and turn all the platinum to so much spandex?

dcease wrote:nah, not too much is different between rappers then and now. the main difference is today's music is made with protools, which is like a drug for your ears. thats why it "sounds better." but like a drug, you come down off your high, and need another fix, the same but different, and a little bit stronger. shit should be illegal

Agreed!

The main elements in rap are timeless and not difficult to spot the real deal. Its gotta sound confident. Not read or punched in a million times. I/we can hear that, probably because i've recorded a million hours of it. It can't sound too rehearsed or unnatural in the breathing. Being too clever in the drop-ins will cause that. Its gotta sound like one natural performance. Tone, melody, intelligibility, plus how many vibes and surprises. I've recorded Cube. He was all that and faster than fuck. Bam!! done, great. It shouldn't be labored over.

I like the Nirvana analogy. Bless them for laying waste to all them hair bands and I wouldn't shed a tear if Blackvana did the same. But, don't just throw the "It's all crap now" into it. There's a lot to listen for.

djadonis206 wrote:

C.S. wrote:I always wondered what all the people who say "they just rap about hoes, rims, drugs, and grills" think they should be rapping about?

oh... and I can't believe I forgot to mention Trick Daddy. His verses on the new Dj Khaled are great.

education, Martin Luther King and strong proud black women

<-- that's a joke I love all those things

but that would be boring

like dance music without a baseline

I know a good freestyler when they can flow without swearing or talking about bitches or homicide. think about it, it's rare.

De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Pharcyde, People Under The Stairs, Jurrasic 5, Dr. Octagon as well as the whole rest of the Souls Of Mischief crew, and more barely even swear, that's intelligent rap and by all accounts they all put out great albums. then there's the more sellout acts like the Black Eyed Peas who changed the song 'lets get retarded' to 'lets get it started'.

De La Soul - the bizness "not from the PJs but I still got something to say"

stakes it high.