TrentReznor - more :*( [niggy tardust sales V radiohead etc]

[Ignatius J. Reilly]

Now who's the ballless sanitised nonce?

[dcease]

i didn't bother with b0unces links' maybe later, but i had read reznors post about it a while back, i think he would at least like to clear the amount he put into it, as it was a fairly big investment, with no corperate backing. i only heard a couple of the songs , so i didn't/ haven't checked out the rest.

there is a reason in the industry that there are labels and artists... sounds like trent is trying to be both. good for him if he succeeds, but seems as tho it should be one or the other, and i see him as more of the artist camp, then the boardroom class... they might make a pill for loss of erection, but not one for loss of angst/drive. talent is subjective, anyway... and people will always buy nin stuff, regardless if it is as "good" as his earlier stuff, but a rapper-type-thingy he produces? i dunno.
regardless, the people who start this "revolution" in music selling must surely realize that the pioneers of anything tend to have the roughest, and sweetest road to success, if success is even obtained... i really don't care how i pay for my music, as long as it is good music, for me. so if you want my money, trent, it'll have to be music i will actually listen to. i like the idea tho....



damn b0unce, did trent leave you on the side of the road naked?

[sweetjesus]

i think he would at least like to clear the amount he put into it, as it was a fairly big investment, with no corperate backing.

how the fuck do you spend more than $140k on an album these days is beyond me..

[dcease]

i think he would at least like to clear the amount he put into it, as it was a fairly big investment, with no corperate backing.

how the fuck do you spend more than $140k on an album these days is beyond me..

i hear that... dude must be using some brittney spears type shit... doesn't he have a studio? or did it get wiped out in the hurricane? i coulda engineered it for him, with similar quality for a lot less i read that manson spent months recording antichrist superstar, at trent's studio. probably cost him a fortune... but trent probably didn't complain... that album did quite well, so he probably got paid twice for it... i dunno. maybe it ain't "his" studio, a la hendrix/ladyland...

[Johnisfaster]

what a sad thing to complain about. awwwww poor trent didn't make millions selling his album online? thats just plain fucking terrible isn't it? only 140k? might as well start begging for change in the streets right?

he's looking at this as a "the industry just isn't what it's supposed to be" instead of "I made a shitty album AGAIN that nobody wanted to pay for"

"I see an island with no owner, if things keep going the way they are, he will not get his tropical paradise" -southpark

[b0unce]

i dont think he realises it just wasnt particularly good.

exactly. Its shit, meh at best. In the article he's convinced the album is QUALITY, other than his fans being cheap ingrates the only other possible explanation he seems to entertain for 'poor' sales is people downloading it twice for one reason or another.

How about reading what Mr. Reznor has to say about all of this directly from his own website?

http://www.nin.com/

^^^Yes,and apparently Reznor thinks his position on the ISP tax was vastly exagerrated.

Damn! I was hoping people would read the links I provided properly, from start to finish, and follow the obvious links within the thread.
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9855319-7.html

Seems obvious to me Trent's position was NOT vastly exagerrated, or taken out of context. The link directly above has an audio recording of his statement regarding ISP TAX, and a short response to his blog.

That article Reznor links to is excellent.

Most definitely! So good I'm going to give it it's own thread.

It does look as if TR got a bit of a bad press experience there, just goes to show how easy it is to spread misinformation.

Yes it's a good article. Most articles from that paper are. No, TR did not get a bit of a bad press experience here. His blog is BS, check the link above.

i didn't bother with b0unces links' maybe later, but i had read reznors post about it a while back, i think he would at least like to clear the amount he put into it, as it was a fairly big investment, with no corperate backing. i only heard a couple of the songs , so i didn't/ haven't checked out the rest.


...*drivel*... i really don't care how i pay for my music, as long as it is good music, for me. so if you want my money, trent, it'll have to be music i will actually listen to. i like the idea tho....

lol, you have no fucking opinion. But you hit on something none-the-less. Trent needs to make good music to get paid.

what a sad thing to complain about. awwwww poor trent didn't make millions selling his album online? thats just plain fucking terrible isn't it? only 140k? might as well start begging for change in the streets right?

he's looking at this as a "the industry just isn't what it's supposed to be" instead of "I made a shitty album AGAIN that nobody wanted to pay for"

Exactly, spot on.

I was really hoping someone would comment on the language he used in the original article. Doesn't sound even remotely like an artist to me, or an inspired musician for that matter. It's all product this, consumer that, TAX, money money, marketshare, popularity.......fuck this guy still is angsty, only nowadays its about how he's going to make another million. Saul of course spoke like an artist, happy to be out there & happy to be heard & happy with his hundreds of thousands of dollars profit and more to come.

My point isn't that Trent isn't entitled to be a millionaire. It's just that he doesn't get to have the credibility he expects too, he wants to market himself as edgy and against the grain - but that couldn't be further from the truth imo. He's constantly whining about his creativity being stifled by 'the major's ....yet he is fucking LOADED and is releasing SHIT music...and now talking about isp tax (even as a flippant remark this is totally foul imo), and then moaning/digging himself out of that hole by alleging the journalists fixed him up.

Seriously, this cunt has nothing to complain about. he sucks plain & simple. He's moving into Lars Ulrich territory and he should just start dressing like Bill Gates and start hanging out with him and Rupert Murdoch to talk about market share and new electronic taxation methods, might cheer him up

[TITBAG]

NIN (lol at the name, NIN! you fucking tossers) is/are shit and have always been shit, as is all the tragic 'industrial' electronic wank goth-but-20-years-too-late guitar bollocks whiny faggotry that followed. at least depeche mode had tunes for a few years before disappearing up their heroin habits. this ubercunt has done nothing of any worth ever, and never will. how come he lives and james brown died?

[Johnisfaster]

NIN (lol at the name, NIN! you fucking tossers) is/are shit and have always been shit, as is all the tragic 'industrial' electronic wank goth-but-20-years-too-late guitar bollocks whiny faggotry that followed. at least depeche mode had tunes for a few years before disappearing up their heroin habits. this ubercunt has done nothing of any worth ever, and never will. how come he lives and james brown died?

does anybody still bite your troll bait?

[b0unce]

NIN (lol at the name, NIN! you fucking tossers) is/are shit and have always been shit, as is all the tragic 'industrial' electronic wank goth-but-20-years-too-late guitar bollocks whiny faggotry that followed. at least depeche mode had tunes for a few years before disappearing up their heroin habits. this ubercunt has done nothing of any worth ever, and never will. how come he lives and james brown died?

does anybody still bite your troll bait?

you do, evidently. lol.


and he's not trolling...this is a 'trent reznor is a ballless nonce' thread and TITBAG is delivering

[dcease]

NIN (lol at the name, NIN! you fucking tossers) is/are shit and have always been shit, as is all the tragic 'industrial' electronic wank goth-but-20-years-too-late guitar bollocks whiny faggotry that followed. at least depeche mode had tunes for a few years before disappearing up their heroin habits. this ubercunt has done nothing of any worth ever, and never will. how come he lives and james brown died?

does anybody still bite your troll bait?

you do, evidently. lol.

d. does not have opinions... but dcease does. depends on who you are talking 2...and with that said, you are quite amusing, as i'm sure my drivel is to you.
opinions and assholes and all...

+1 on the ulrich/gates comparison, tho

[Oscar F]

NIN (lol at the name, NIN! you fucking tossers) is/are shit and have always been shit, as is all the tragic 'industrial' electronic wank goth-but-20-years-too-late guitar bollocks whiny faggotry that followed. at least depeche mode had tunes for a few years before disappearing up their heroin habits. this ubercunt has done nothing of any worth ever, and never will. how come he lives and james brown died?

does anybody still bite your troll bait?

you do, evidently. lol.


and he's not trolling...this is a 'trent reznor is a ballless nonce' thread and TITBAG is delivering

Well, when ones life is nothing more than a ball less nonce's breath away from Titbaggery I guess you can't help but sympathise a little .
TITBAG delivers because TITBAG is the voice of first hand experience.

[TITBAG]

Telling
It
To
Bald
Arseholes
Gladly

[dcease]

i think b0unce is trent. this is his angst, seeping out

[funkdefino]

Either you are part of the problem, the solution, or the landscape...

Regardless one way or another what you think of the tunes... The release of Niggy Tardust is groundbreaking. How many musicians with "star power" are out there taking chances on how the music they make gets distributed?

The fact that Trent was bold enough to post his findings for others to see is very commendable. The ambiguous numbers on Radiohead's release were very exciting, but I think Trent is right... If we saw the actual numbers we might be a little disappointed. (for a variety of reasons)

Maybe? Maybe not? We may never know...

One thing is for sure... we all have "opinions" about the delivery methods of most if not all of the online retailers... The record companies clearly could care less about the artists... and nobody has a clear solution yet...

Thanks GOD Trent is trying to help forge a new way or at least scream loud enough about alternative methods that have worked for others.

Ask yourself...

What have YOU done to help yourself as well as you fellow musicians in this trying time?

[smutek]

I paid for Saul's album because I liked the idea of paying if I wanted to. Maybe I was influenced by the marketing, I don't know. After a few listens I decided that I didn't care for it much. I'll revisit it at some point and see how I feel.

I didn't have the option to choose so I stole (downloaded) both of Trent's latest, Year Zero and the remixes, because he's said repeatedly that if I can't afford it then I should just steal it. So I did.

Year Zero wasn't bad for a pop album, not quite as good as some of the older stuff, but worth keeping. I don't know, I saw the Pretty Hate Machine tour at a small club in '90 and it was a sick show, but to me NIN has always been, from the beginning, a pop band with an industrial flavor - something I like, and listen to on rare occasions, but nothing special or ground breaking.

Just my opinion.