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Vista offers a couple of advantages for music-making over XP. I wrote an elaborate thread about that here:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ight=vista

forge wrote:

was that all directed at me? seems a little like a lesson in sucking eggs....not to sound rude but I've been around the block on this quite a few times.....

my freak comment (apart from being a little friendly joke) was making reference to the fact that Timur apparently enjoys testing things to their limits, but for anyone else who just wants to make music, if you have the option I'd seriously consider XP for quite a while yet...

this part was directed at you:

me wrote: Yes but Timur's freakiness saves us all countless hours of time.

which doesn't to be sound like I'm trying to tell you to suck eggs... I was trying to agree playfully. I need to use more emoticons I guess.

Timur has saved me a bunch of time with his VIsta tests.

you've been around so I'm sure you've made your own batch of truncated misleading comments.

AThe rest of my statement, which seems to be aimed at someone who is having troubles with Vista, were supposed to be aimed at the original poster who is having problems with Vista. They were not meant for you.

So much confusion, just because of my freakiness.

I do have to disagree on one point though, I do not only run/test things to the limit, mostly I'm doing everyday stuff. I just have to come up with my own upto-the-limit tests in Live when in normal operation seemingly random problems occur which I try to find the source of.

Concerning Vista, I did not jump the waggon yet. I've been using XP happily for a long time and only just start to have a look at Vista, because I really like the concepts of some of the most indeep changes (those affecting the core functionality, not those only affecting the looks). Driver developers finally start to get their crap together and any manufacturer who was not able to deliver running drivers yet really botched their roll! No drivers for my M-Audio Audiophile for 64-bit Vista? Well, too bad, time to get new hardware. If you cannot afford new hardware and driver-support for your current stuff is lacking in Vista, then by all means do stay with XP. Even if you can afford new hardware, do not just buy Vista because it's all flashy and new! Try it only if you see any benefits out of the purchase and see any reasonable chance to make your favorite hardware- and software-vendors support its new functions.

For the time being most audio-production software does not make any use of Vista's enhanced audio/multimedia features (only Sonar does to-date I think, and I made it crash the very first time I used it ). But on the other hand they never will start to implement those features if no one is going to switch to Vista anytime soon anyway. Vicious circle, the cat bytes its tail... you get the point.

forge wrote:my freak comment (apart from being a little friendly joke) was making reference to the fact that Timur apparently enjoys testing things to their limits, but for anyone else who just wants to make music, if you have the option I'd seriously consider XP for quite a while yet...

Which has been understood exactly that way on this side of the pond.

laird wrote:

forge wrote:

was that all directed at me? seems a little like a lesson in sucking eggs....not to sound rude but I've been around the block on this quite a few times.....

my freak comment (apart from being a little friendly joke) was making reference to the fact that Timur apparently enjoys testing things to their limits, but for anyone else who just wants to make music, if you have the option I'd seriously consider XP for quite a while yet...

this part was directed at you:

me wrote: Yes but Timur's freakiness saves us all countless hours of time.

which doesn't to be sound like I'm trying to tell you to suck eggs... I was trying to agree playfully. I need to use more emoticons I guess.

Timur has saved me a bunch of time with his VIsta tests.

you've been around so I'm sure you've made your own batch of truncated misleading comments.

AThe rest of my statement, which seems to be aimed at someone who is having troubles with Vista, were supposed to be aimed at the original poster who is having problems with Vista. They were not meant for you.

it's cool - no stress, I just thought it *slightly* odd, that's all

Timur wrote: But on the other hand they never will start to implement those features if no one is going to switch to Vista anytime soon anyway. Vicious circle, the cat bytes its tail... you get the point.

of course they will - microsoft is going to stop shipping XP and they are already aggressively trying to replace it, hence why so many people in the Audio world are having these problems

I actually like vista - the look and concept, it just doesnt work as it's supposed to and causes way more trouble than it's worth - when it works it will be cool

forge wrote:it's cool - no stress, I just thought it *slightly* odd, that's all

I try to not tell the folks with 12K posts here to RFTM too often.

forge wrote:I actually like vista - the look and concept, it just doesnt work as it's supposed to and causes way more trouble than it's worth - when it works it will be cool

I don't think this often statet formulation is fair, you can hardly blame Vista for improper drivers and most often it's those drivers that don't work as they're supposed to. Concerning the GUI problems of Live I still am wondering if the NVidia drivers are to be blamed or if Live uses some odd kind of GUI redrawing routines. It would help to know if any non Nvidia user experiences these problems.

Timur wrote:

forge wrote:I actually like vista - the look and concept, it just doesnt work as it's supposed to and causes way more trouble than it's worth - when it works it will be cool

I don't think this often statet formulation is fair, you can hardly blame Vista for improper drivers and most often it's those drivers that don't work as they're supposed to. Concerning the GUI problems of Live I still am wondering if the NVidia drivers are to be blamed or if Live uses some odd kind of GUI redrawing routines. It would help to know if any non Nvidia user experiences these problems.

it's not a sentient being - it's not about 'blame'

from the point of view of an end user trying to work, the cause is totally irrelevant - either it gets in the way or it doesnt

XP is working like a dream now and it doesnt interfere with my day at all - so now I couldnt give a crap about OS any more because I'm no longer having to think about it at all - it just works, so my time is spent on my work and this stupid bastard forum

FWIW,
I had massive stutters/clipping.dropouts at 40% CPU under WIndows basic mode, using Nvidia drivers for my graphics card... and that went away when I turned Aero back on.
Now I'm off to go tell Mr Henke to RTFM. BRB.

I have a Compaq laptop with the same processor AMD 1.6 Dual core, upgraded to Vista ultimate 64, with 2gigs ram, the first time i loaded live 6, it took nearly an hour to install! finally it did work though. I no longer use the laptop setup but i had those "Crackles and pops" too. even upgraded to a ""express card" slot with 2 extra 6-pin firewire 400 ports. one thing i did discover, if you are using the Vista "readyboost" feature, DONT! Vista allows Ableton to access the readyboost device while in playback mode, which in turn produces audible noise"Clicks" in the signal chain. also, try lowering your sample resolution, i went from 24bit/96k.....to 24bit/48k and it made a huge difference processor cycles and got rid of the rest of the pops. i used 2 Audiofire 12's for a 24 ch setup.

hey, laird ... i noticed that alot more physical memory is being used when aero is engaged (as compared to windows vista basic). do you have any thoughts on why your performance is better when your computer is operating under a much heavier load? seems counter-intuitive, but there must be a good reason.