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I have to disagree strongly with you both Machinate and Nick the Zombie. But we are all entitled to our opinions I guess. However, FM 8 to my ears is a much more polished and sophisticated product. Maybe Operator is more hands on, but sound wise it falls a long, long way behind (in my opinion).

Arnold-Rimmer wrote:I own FM 8 by Native Instruments and Operator. Sorry to say this, but Operator is nowhere near the class of FM8. Fm 8 outclasses it by a long way in all areas. I am not saying Operator is total crap, it isn't, but for FM synthesis it lacks versatility and quality. Then again, if you haven't heard FM 8 then you won't have anything to compare it to, so buy Operator if you like it.

FM8 is VERY powerful.
But TOO unstable when you put about 5 or 6 in racks etc...

OPERATOR ! ! !

I'm also a big fan of both Operator and simpler/sampler.
One of my wishes for Live would be to be able to use one simpler/sampler to modulate another in a rack, it would also be cool is operator could be set up the same way.
I've had FM8 for just over a year now and haven't really spent much time trying to program it, but the time i have spent makes me think that a lot of the things you can do inside it using multiple "Operators" could easily be accomplished using lives operator in a rack if it could be made to modulate against another operator in the same rack. Being able to do this with simpler/sampler and operator would open the door to all kinds of modular synth madness
On top of these posabilities,, add in lives FX and my mind starts to expand and makes my brain hurt. I would love to se live be given the ability to have LFO's control plugin parameters and so on....

Arnold-Rimmer wrote:I have to disagree strongly with you both Machinate and Nick the Zombie. But we are all entitled to our opinions I guess. However, FM 8 to my ears is a much more polished and sophisticated product. Maybe Operator is more hands on, but sound wise it falls a long, long way behind (in my opinion).

I'm not going to agree or disagree, but if you're down for it, machinate has made dozens of great presets for Operator, you can find them through his signature, he might surprise you.

Homebelly wrote:I'm also a big fan of both Operator and simpler/sampler.
One of my wishes for Live would be to be able to use one simpler/sampler to modulate another in a rack, it would also be cool is operator could be set up the same way.
I've had FM8 for just over a year now and haven't really spent much time trying to program it, but the time i have spent makes me think that a lot of the things you can do inside it using multiple "Operators" could easily be accomplished using lives operator in a rack if it could be made to modulate against another operator in the same rack. Being able to do this with simpler/sampler and operator would open the door to all kinds of modular synth madness
On top of these posabilities,, add in lives FX and my mind starts to expand and makes my brain hurt. I would love to se live be given the ability to have LFO's control plugin parameters and so on....

+1
nice idea.


I've been playing around with fm8 and operator, and if it comes to getting the right bassline, operator was way better for me. I love operator for it's simplicity (even though individual pitch bends and lfos would be nice )

The ONLY virtual instruments I own (besides those included in Live) are Operator, Sampler, and Zebra. What Operator can't do FM wise, Zebra can. So I'd recommend Zebra over FM8 (which I've heard but not demo'd) just it can do FM plus so much more. Having just those three instruments made me stop shopping for soft synths a while ago. But then my music is not as "synth based" as some.

Operator ROCKKKS

Pasha wrote:

Plastic Hassle wrote:No, you can't import waveforms into Operator but it has plenty waveforms of it's own to mangle including eight different types of sine wave.

Didn't know it!
How you actually do it?

- Best
- Pasha

Ooops I misread "can't" for "can"...
Poor eyes of mine....

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- Pasha

sytrus is a good solution too... I like the FM matrix
BUT I don't want to use vst (too unstable... full live is my way)