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Post by Nick the Zombie » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:48 pm

tekkers wrote:...more like that my music is old fashioned and has nothin to do with what the kids of today like!
I recommend embracing this. Worry less about whether your style is popular and more about whether you are writing stuff that you know is good. Then try and drive that style forward a bit with some different composition and production techniques. If it's any good, people will listen to it.

Case in point: I've been hearing the Vangelis-style pads and strings coming back in a huge way for a few years now, which I think is great. It really helps that these sounds are being used over beats that are a little more "current," blending the old with the new.

- Nick

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Post by Angstrom » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:49 pm

here in the UK they show a lot of music festivals on TV.
I advise watching one of those and see all the absolute rubbish that passes for popular music. If you aren't convinced of you musical superiority after 5 minutes of watching "the Gossip", or some other terrible act ... then yes, throw it out of the window.

Anytime I see these kind of acts I just think - "shit, even I can do better than that. If they can get away with it then so can I"

remember - it isn't up to you to decide if your stuff is good. You might think it is uninspired rubbish - but if 100 people think differently then it turns out you are wrong.

You have been outvoted.

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Post by nebulae » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:04 pm

Meef Chaloin wrote:yeah im sure i wont actually give up but just spent ages trying to get an album together, most of the songs were already written but I went back to remix them now that I have some Adams, then did some gentle 'mastering' and it sounds shite (not cos of the mastering, just the mixes in general). Feel like im getting progressively worse. I thought some new monitors would do me good but my mixes sound wank. Just at the point where im sick of hearing the songs but they're still not right, its killing any passion stone dead
I have a different take on this...the fact that your mixes show flaws later is a sign that YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING BETTER! Your ears are getting better and better, and you're noticing things you did wrong.

Here's the rub...that NEVER goes away. So long as you keep working at it, old stuff will ALWAYS sound imperfect. What you must get over is the need for it to be perfect. Fall into that trap, and you're like 90% of all bedroom artists who never finish anything.

I'll be the first to admit that my first record is horrid. I'll also tell you that I just finished my twelfth, and there are still plenty of things wrong with it. But it's done, and it's out the door. Just keep moving onward, learn from past mistakes, and keep evolving. But don't get caught up in perfectionism. It doesn't exist.

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Post by elxicano » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:20 pm

My old proffessor always made the point that no matter how good you think you are, there will allways be someone younger and better. That's why you gotta do it for the love of the music.

Just the other day, my bro told me about some 9 year old drummer playing with all big time jazz players in NYC, not as a gimmic, but because he is just that damn good.

Tony William at age 17 was playin w/Miles Davis and its rummored that after the first set, he told Miles he needed to work on his timing.

Anyways, back to the thread... I agree with everyone on here, that hearing the mixes sound like "shite" is a sign of progression or possibly just a bad day.

I walked away from playing drums and I was pretty damn good... I always regret it. It was a good source of income, but I can't say I always enjoyed it. Creating music is something I love even if someone thinks what I do sucks. We all got our days, sometimes weeks, but I don't think its ever worth walking away unless its just no longer fun.

Good luck

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Post by hambone1 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:22 pm

nebulae wrote:make music for fun and stop worrying about whether you're any good at it
+1!

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Post by hangar17 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:25 pm

first you get up you walk and you fall
then you learn to get up and go on walking
slow and steady as it goes :)
I fell down the musical stairs at the science museum.
It went like : C F# B D Ab A#5 E D B A THUD!

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this is hangar 17

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Post by b0unce » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:48 pm

If at first you don't succeed... adopt a chernobyl baby.
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Post by Grappadura » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:09 pm

It ain´t that easy to stop worrying about being good. You may say that you want to stop worrying, but it is not always in your reach. Sometimes its a general lack of selfconfidence, which most of us have to a certain degree. That can be, in itself, another reason to not loose yourself in the music, because the question "am I good", and the constant self-watching takes away resources that would be needed for the music itself.

I think that if you are trapped in that kind of self-reflection (not saying you are), the only way out is to dig until you know what problems lay behind the self-watching. Music itself may help you to do that, if you use it to express feelings.

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Post by Moody » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:10 pm

Who said that it was ever about making music? Make some fucking noise and have fun!
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Post by djfm » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:35 pm

some good advice here
ive been making music 5 years and im not happy wit were my skills are. I tend to blame the software rather than myself so i change things
ive become blined by choice.
Of course this is not true and its me who needs to stick it out
just remeber why you started in the first place. Sourcing samples recording stuff around the house
i blame the net. All you see on the net is buy this buy that this will make your tracks better bullshit
http://www.myspace.com/projectf - Progressive
http://soundcloud.com/fproject
http://twitter.com/fproject1

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Post by 4.33 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:04 pm

the self-critisism is a pitfall every artist is subject to
all these questions you know:
- why am i doing this?
- who's gonna listen to it?
- will i ever be able to make a living from it?
- what more do i need to learn to be successful?

it just stops you from breathing
if you ever make yourself to write something - it turns out to be cold dull plastic, unhuman, unpassionate

but if somehow you let go of yourself - you just fall into it
and you create something you never knew you were capable of
and these moments keep your faith in yourself

we are being constantly fucked by our minds


edit: oh, and meef, i like your stuff dude!

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Post by abort » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:09 am

Dam - everyone's having a shitty week!

Its ALL of you here at this forum that I would take advice from. I have listened to a lot of music on this forum and I would say that ALL of it, all of it is creative and inspiring !!!

Sometimes aimlessly wiring up the weirdest noise will set the spark in motion. ...You wake up with a dream, try creating it.

I never feel like my advise is valid ..yep I get down too! :(

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Post by oblique strategies » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:53 am

The muse can be fleeting. We've probably all been through dry patches. But keep in mind that if you really love something, you'll come back to it. Sometimes taking a break is a good thing too.

I recall a dry spell that really had me worried. So much of my identity is wrapped up in music, that when I wasn't doing it I wondered: "If I'm not about making music, then just who am I anyway?!" It was weird. Sometimes you can't push the river. Fortunately it ended, & I became inspired again.

Sometimes we have to change gears. It can get old doing the same thing year after year -you can get that "been there, done that" feeling, & it just doesn't thrill you anymore. Taking on new challenges can be the best thing to get you rolling again.

One inspiring challenge for me was when I took on a high profile gig doing a live improv soundscape for a dance piece that was comprised only of sounds I extracted from a recording of a monologue made by each dancer as the piece started. It was mixed in quad to four speakers encircling the dancers & audience. I had never done anything quite like it before, & I had about a month to figure it out for a gig that was to be performed seven times. It really challenged me, & I enjoyed working out all the methods to make it work.

It also re-focused my attention back on surround mixing, & now that what I primarily do: mix in quad. So I have all kinds of fun figuring out how to do the things I have in my head. It can be frustrating (when will Live support surround???), but also really fun!

Also deadlines are not to be underestimated in their power to focus us on results!

Of course computers can suck even on a good day -play other instruments, take a walk & sing in the park. You know, just musical notes in the air, that's all. It's refreshing.

:P

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Post by DjViral » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:55 am

ever get the feeling that: society puts to much emphasis on the end, and what happens at the end and what you have achieved/acquired at the end. trust me society is wrong. enjoy the ride. making music can be fun even if your not making anything amazing. just have fun doing it. don't stress too much.

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Post by nebulae » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:10 am

abort wrote:Dam - everyone's having a shitty week!
I'm havin' a great frakin' week! :)

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