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Posted: **Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:36 pm**

my curry virgo balls are way more anal than your half-swedish virgo balls

Posted: **Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:38 pm**

Like someone once said to me " for perfection to be perfect it has to incorporate imperfection.. Otherwise it would be lacking and therefor not perfect".... Good point me thinks...

Anyway to the OP.. try everything you can to help yourself through this state of being.. you've been offered a lot of good advice on this, I can't really add to what's already been said... Apart from .. Have faith in yourself and don't judge yourself too harshly. We all go through times like you're having.. If the music and desire to make it is real for you, then you will come through and be stronger for it!

Hope this helps..

Hd

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:10 am**

The Phat Conductor wrote:you should maybe set up a phone session with me.

i have a system that results in a finished tune every two days when i'm not on tour.

there are a few simple things that make it all come together before you get sick of the tunes.

some of the mainstays are:

-get up EARLY, take the phone off the hook, and work ALL DAY SOBER. smoke in the evening if you must, but not during the main bits, it slows everything down and results in mindless tweaking...

-write in a little book every morning, it keeps your mind moving forwards

-produce with a friend, things go faster when you don't want to waste someone else's time.

-write transitions, not parts... there are a few simple arrangement rules that will keep things moving.

-don't get anal about the mixing until later. you can always mix a finished tune at a later date without getting bored. stick to writing when you're writing.

-make loads of racks! they speed things up exponentially at time goes on. they're like lego!

-if something is not yielding results in 5 minutes, move on to something else. pick off the easy problems first, they may make the harder problems irrelevant.

anyway, if you want the nitty gritty, send me an email and we can work it out. you probably have some idiosyncratic problems that need addressing as well.

whats your email i'm interested

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:26 am**

Pitch Black wrote:
3dot... wrote:
Pitch Black wrote:KILL PERFECTIONISM BEFORE IT KILLS YOU!!!!
another one for the books....
Thanks! Not like I'm any great poster-boy for this though... I try to subscribe to it, but I'm a white, male, half-Swedish, right-handed, Virgo, keyboard player - you don't get much more anal than that!!

meh...you don't seem like an uptight person at all...

anyways... it's good advice... I need to stop with the never ending self critique...

it just take all the fun out of it all... you can never progress when in that state of mind...

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:45 am**

i think the honest answer is this -- finishing tracks is not fun, it's work. the inspiration part, as you see there's something there, take it somewhere new, that's fresh, exciting, fun, whatever. trying to get the perfect mix or vocal take, a drag, sucks the life out of you. which is why pros have so many tricks to try to keep things lively, inspired, few of which work.

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:15 am**

I also think working with someone else will help me with finishing a track, I have the exact same problem as the OP and having someone to collab with will force me to get something finished. I was working with this one guy but his problem is he knew nothing about production and came from a DJ background so I was teaching while trying to write a track which was a buzzkill for creativity.

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:42 am**

eggnchips wrote:I start one, ..

Because your not yet skilled enough to finish one, keep trying.

"I bought a $700 tennis racket last month, why have I not won Wimbledon yet?"

Asinine question.

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:29 am**

Olga wrote:
eggnchips wrote:I start one, ..

Because your not yet skilled enough to finish one, keep trying.

"I bought a $700 tennis racket last month, why have I not won Wimbledon yet?"

Asinine question.

oo la la...

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:33 am**

3dot... wrote:
Olga wrote:
eggnchips wrote:I start one, ..

Because your not yet skilled enough to finish one, keep trying.

"I bought a $700 tennis racket last month, why have I not won Wimbledon yet?"

Asinine question.
oo la la...

Exactly.

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:34 am**

Try these articles on this site: http://www.audiomelody.com/1/Articles

even if you are not making "pop" songs the information will really help you become disciplined. the author is very experienced & really knows his stuff.

Good luck!

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:38 am**

Olga wrote:
3dot... wrote:
Olga wrote:

Because your not yet skilled enough to finish one, keep trying.

"I bought a $700 tennis racket last month, why have I not won Wimbledon yet?"

Asinine question.
oo la la...

Exactly.

...how much for the racket ?!

I'm thinking of starting my own tournament...
but need at least 2 rackets ,balls and a Judge...

...bad analogy,me thinks...

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:06 am**

Kozak wrote:Same problem here. Haven't finished a track in 2 years though I still feel I am progressing. Problem is my internal voice criticizes everything. I hope me going to a shrink can fix it...

I would recommend this book to everyone. It is absolutely brilliant for helping you to stay focussed on things like getting tracks/projects/work/anything you want done.

It's called the Now Habit. It's really good at helping overcome procrastination, making serious inroads into your projects, getting your ideas sorted out.

Check out the reviews at the bottom of the page.

http://www.amazon.com/Now-Habit-Overcom ... 026&sr=8-1

Also, NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) is very useful for this. I have this one:

http://www.amazon.com/NLP-New-Technolog ... 555&sr=1-1

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:18 am**

The Phat Conductor wrote:-write transitions, not parts... there are a few simple arrangement rules that will keep things moving.

I'd like some more information on this please.

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:03 am**

I've been become a student of this subject too...
and read more than few books on the subject
heres some fo the ideas i've collected up:
http://substation.co.nz/blog/?p=290

dj superflat is right, its just hard work
and requires a hard sustained push to get there..

this interview with painter max gimblett is interesting too
as it discusses his many methods/approaches to finishing work

“This is a stone from the endless beach”
http://www.maxgimblett.com/writings/endlessbeach.pdf

Posted: **Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:59 am**

duluxdog wrote: I would recommend this book to everyone. It is absolutely brilliant for helping you to stay focussed on things like getting tracks/projects/work/anything you want done.

It's called the Now Habit. It's really good at helping overcome procrastination, making serious inroads into your projects, getting your ideas sorted out.

Check out the reviews at the bottom of the page.

http://www.amazon.com/Now-Habit-Overcom ... 026&sr=8-1

OH. MY. GOD.
http://www.hashref.com/summaries/TheNowHabit.pdf

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