"live techno" should and will be better

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:06 am

i can confirm that eatstapes is severely the shit.

4rest · Post by **4rest** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:37 am

i don't think we to boring but i am biased

delicious people, novatron and squidleader solstice jam session
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ous+people

delicious people
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ous+people

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:19 am

Damnit. Can't a man work on his first live set EVER without having to worry about throwing knobs and faders every 3 seconds for the train spotters. God.

But I don't write techno, so maybe you are right on this one.

4rest · Post by **4rest** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:37 am

well it was not my first "live pa" ever.....for this project sure.
i like to jam and have fun and can give a rats ass about train spotters.....here is a vid from 8 years ago from a live webcast in chicago http://www.revver.com/video/167676/freq ... 9-23-2000/

like i said i like to have fun and don't think it is boring but i am biased

peace
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JJarvis · Post by **JJarvis** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:21 am

I don't mean to trash techno on this thread. I just think that a once innovative genre should try to reinvent the live performance. Techno used to be about doing great things with little resources. Most of the classic Detroit techno tracks were done with 8 or 16 step sequencers. Today we complain about Live only having 128 automation parameters.

Another thing that is troubling is the increasing lack of space provided at clubs for the DJs. I can't remember the last time I saw a DJ bring an odd drum machine or synth to a show. Hell DJ's can't even bring vinyl to some of the clubs. This is common in a city like San Francisco. I'm from Detroit and San Francisco is no "New Detroit". I think I heard that somewhere on this forum. I'm sorry but San Francisco is just about everything Detroit is not. Sorry about the bitter rant. I know music is all supposed to be fun and some would argue that I should just have a few more drinks and just forget about it!

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:26 pm

*grunt*

ok.

list the artists you've been to see in the last year.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:07 pm

On a related note, I've heard from a few world traveling live PA/prodcuers that the demand for traditional DJs is quickly dropping. I'm not sure what exactly they mean because I can still go to venues and there are DJs, but I guess there's more demand and interest in people that are doing more than just playing other people's tracks back to back.

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:43 pm

Because some people can put on a show and some can not. Just because everybody can go out and buy the same gear and software does not mean everybody knows how to put on a show. This is the same for all genres of music. Some bands can put on a show all night long but never have any real record sales while other bands are pumped out to the masses and have no idea what the hell they should do once on stage.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:53 am

well?

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:15 am

that was never five minutes just now

90's child · Post by **90's child** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:10 am

what's important is if the music is good.

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:38 am

what a silly bunt.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:35 am

JJarvis wrote:It seems like techno producers are gettin lazy with their live sets. The music is all the same weekend from weekend. Not bad, not horrible, only average. DJ's no longer mix up their record selection and all the old tricks of the trade are overused. Why aren't there more people pushing the envelope of what a live techno or electronic music set should be? Today we have amazing tools to do the job. I'm hopeful that things will get back to how they were during the hardware era. Any thoughts?

HEY FAGGOT.

It seems like techno producers are gettin lazy with their live sets ?
Not bad, not horrible, only average ?
The 'old tricks of the trade' are overused ?
Why aren't there more people pushing the envelope of what a live techno or electronic music set should be ?

These are bold statements. And you didn't go to eatstapes. I'm curious if your statements are even based on real experiences at all.

You suck beyond belief and should STFU on all techno related matters from here on in.

ollyb303 · Post by **ollyb303** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:50 am

Just want to say here that I am a techno producer/performer and I have NEVER automated anything.

I used to do my set using an MPC2000, an MPC2000XL a TB303 and an SH09, and never even used a loop longer than 4 bars.

Now I do my set using Live and 3 Faderfox micromoduls and again I don't use any automation - everything is mixed and tweaked there and then using the foxes and I rarely touch my laptop during a set.

I consider what I do to be "Live Techno" and some of the best bits in some of my best sets have been "mistakes"!!

There are some of my old (1999-2002) MPC sets on myspace (link in sig) for free download if anyone's interested.

If anyone's in Bristol, UK, look out for "OB1" and the "Irritant" live p.a. if you'd like to hear real, live techno (shameless plug!)

JJarvis · Post by **JJarvis** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:55 am

HEY FAGGOT.

It seems like techno producers are gettin lazy with their live sets ?
Not bad, not horrible, only average ?
The 'old tricks of the trade' are overused ?
Why aren't there more people pushing the envelope of what a live techno or electronic music set should be ?

These are bold statements. And you didn't go to eatstapes. I'm curious if your statements are even based on real experiences at all.

You suck beyond belief and should STFU on all techno related matters from here on in.

Over the last year I've seen Gui Borrato, Richie Hawtin, Matthew Dear, Modeselektor, Ellen Allien, Sascha Funke, Steve Bug, and all the other local clowns. Look, I've been listening to techno for nearly 15 years. I'm from Detroit and I've seen just about everyone at some point. I just miss the days when Stacey Pullen would open up for Robert Hood at Motor, or when Juan Atkins would perform a real live set at St. Andrews Hall. Techno, like a lot of genres has gotten a little too comfortable as of late. Some guys are doing it right. I enjoyed Modeselektor and yea sorry I didn't get to see your show. I work too much to be going out on a week night. I just can't understand why someone has to get upset about what I hoped to be a constructive discussion on music. As far as I'm concerned you have no room to talk on this matter.

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