Logic is better than Live

[snakedogman]

Come on then - let's hear it. Name some professionals recording full albums in Live. Que inevitable calls of 'but how do you define a professional?' blah blah blah. I mean someone who earns a full-time living from their music, who releases albums and has received coverage in music media. Not that defines whether or not the music is good - it doesn't ultimately matter if you enjoy yourself - but as a rough guide to whether or not this software is being used for recording by professionals. I'm trying to find the best way to capture my sound. I am interested in music for its own sake rather than listening to the technology that is being used.

If you can name some artists, great, but it doesn't explain why Live is not up there with Logic, Cubase and Pro Tools. There's always a whiny edge of superiority that pervades the posts on here, as though posters think they're somehow 'cutting edge' or 'taking on the establishment' because they write in Live.

I can already think of three people I know personally that write and release albums produced in Live. And I don't even know that many musicians. I'm sure there must be hundreds if not thousands of musicians right now writing and releasing music made with Live. Just as there are thousands who use Cubase, or Logic, or Protools, or Fruityloops, or Reason. Your assumption that there isn't anyone actually releasing music made with live is absurd, but why even make a point about it if you then go on to say "I am interested in music for its own sake rather than listening to the technology that is being used". Sorry but you're not making any sense. Whatsoever.

[System6music]

Come on then - let's hear it. Name some professionals recording full albums in Live. Que inevitable calls of 'but how do you define a professional?' blah blah blah. I mean someone who earns a full-time living from their music, who releases albums and has received coverage in music media. Not that defines whether or not the music is good - it doesn't ultimately matter if you enjoy yourself - but as a rough guide to whether or not this software is being used for recording by professionals. I'm trying to find the best way to capture my sound. I am interested in music for its own sake rather than listening to the technology that is being used.

If you can name some artists, great, but it doesn't explain why Live is not up there with Logic, Cubase and Pro Tools. There's always a whiny edge of superiority that pervades the posts on here, as though posters think they're somehow 'cutting edge' or 'taking on the establishment' because they write in Live.

Charlie clouser, Trent reznor, NIN, Atticus Ross, Sean beaven, Korn, Daft punk, crystal method, portishead, imogen heap, Paul van Dyk, DJ Sasha, BT, Front 242....and now I'm getting bored.

One thing that will save you a lot of time is to learn the truth about branding and endorsements. I don't know of ANY professional music group that uses 1 DAW or 1 guitar or 1 effects unit. They get paid to stand behind the highest bidder, but honestly they use a little bit of everything. Sometimes engineers re-amp or remix even without their knowledge.

I personally use Ableton, Fl studio, tracktion and Protools M-powered.

I like FL studio to lay down my electronic drum beats. I just like the sequencer. For me it's quick and easy.

Then nothing says arranging and re-arranging like ableton. I like doing some of my multitracking work inside the DAW because of the ease of punch in/punch out, looped recording and slowing things down to get a better take when the music is moving fast.

Tracktion is what I use for multitracking bands because it is simple and quick to get going. From there I may mix inside of tracktion, protools, or import it to live. It depends on the song, the style, and the desired end result.

I keep pro tools m-powered around just to mix every now and then. The effects it comes with are great and I find it a very simple environment for mixing.

I also use a pc and not a mac, but that is an entirely different cult argument for you to lose.

I have used logic extensively. It's a pretty cool DAW, but it wasn't cool enough for me to switch to mac. Also the destructive editing? How 1980s is that?

Everything has its pros and cons.... learn which tools to use and when. Jumping in a companies forum and accusing their DAW of being inferior is just trolling.....

[Geezus]

One thing Logic has going for it is NO FUCKING 128 PARAMETER LIMIT ON VSTS!!!

FUCK!!! wish I had a mac. either that or I wish ableton would get their fucking shit together and come up with a product that isn't rife with limitations that make me pull my hair out. But fat chance that will ever happen.

[FORMAT]

Okay, so I just got Logic and you can see why some would say Live isn't quite a full-on DAW yet. Logic has strong 'deep editing' possibilities for audio yet also has quite a clean interface, mostly under one arrange window. Ultrabeat is also pretty great and Logic's convolution reverb is fucking amazing.

Has anyone found that they find they naturally prefer the horizontal Arrange style to Live's vertical style? I had no prior experience of recording when I came to Live and I found that I mostly preferred the Arrange function to write in. It feels more natural to me. I'm find Logic quite intuitve. As far as I can tell, Logic had the worst reputation for usability out of the three 'big hitters' - the other two being Cubase and Pro Tools - but i'm digging it.

You can see why professionals are writing entire albums in Logic but i'm unsure whether anyone has done a serious piece of music, for the purposes of release, in Live yet. I know there a vast number of people using it for performance possibilities, but i'm talking about day-to-day recording here. I haven't checked out the MainStage function yet so I don't know whether this is any good or not.

I just don't get why people keep posting posts like that. It's irrelevant - both are great pieces of software and are well thought out, as are Cubase etc....

I just hope that none of these options will go away (by being eaten by other companies etc) because variety is just great.

[Serra]

I think I could get great results from both. What tipped the boat for me in mixing and mastering in Logic were two things I think:

1- When I researched mixing and mastering training most of it was done in Logic, so I ended up training the sound engineering side of things in Logic and, therefore, feel more comfortable finishing a track there. Its a bit like a reference CD you know, Logic is my reference DAW because I am used to its mixing tools etc, which does not mean its better

2- Important one, the SIZE of projects get WAY too big for me in Live. I like Session View a lot but I don't use loops much, which means I take most of the screen space just for mixing drums in Live which I really do not like. I know Drum Racks resolve this, but what if you use kontakt or battery? you need to sample everything and throw it in drum racks? no thanks. Then if you want to edit the midi throughout the track you need to split it into many midi tracks again? no no no thanks! Final projects just get too big in Live. A easy way to solve this (please listen Ableton) would be to create Folder Tracks (FOLDER TRACKS ok!) where you could group whichever tracks you would like, leaving the remainig screen space to what you are currently working on. I think this is probably the one thing that would get me working in Live for longer, and maybe even finishing tracks there. I logic I build my templates and keep things organised by hiding whatever I am not using, or creating folders. I REALLY REALLY thing that Group/Folder tracks would make Live way more suitable for anything greated than small projects for those who are not strictly using Live's internal tools (racks etc), which is a lot of us.

[Pasha]

Okay, so I just got Logic and you can see why some would say Live isn't quite a full-on DAW yet. Logic has strong 'deep editing' possibilities for audio yet also has quite a clean interface, mostly under one arrange window. Ultrabeat is also pretty great and Logic's convolution reverb is fucking amazing.

Has anyone found that they find they naturally prefer the horizontal Arrange style to Live's vertical style? I had no prior experience of recording when I came to Live and I found that I mostly preferred the Arrange function to write in. It feels more natural to me. I'm find Logic quite intuitve. As far as I can tell, Logic had the worst reputation for usability out of the three 'big hitters' - the other two being Cubase and Pro Tools - but i'm digging it.

You can see why professionals are writing entire albums in Logic but i'm unsure whether anyone has done a serious piece of music, for the purposes of release, in Live yet. I know there a vast number of people using it for performance possibilities, but i'm talking about day-to-day recording here. I haven't checked out the MainStage function yet so I don't know whether this is any good or not.

When I left Cubase SX 2 getting dust in 2005 my creativity was blocked.
I come across Live because I bought a FW Audio Card and then it was light.
Now I have 17 songs and about 20 'Jam' sessions recorded in session view.
I'm a 9 to 6 worker so the time I have for music is limited...
All this material can now be reused to form a real song. Live 'vertical style' as you name it is what unlocked my productivity. I'm no professional so I won't increase the number of albums released with Live, but as a musician, a composer, even if I have to use arrangement view to assemble my song out of session view material, I can say that music composed using linear traditional time line can be somewhat boring and a long process. Live new approach makes things easier and you can experiment with things that you didn't know you were able to achieve. However if you like logic use it. There's no need to come here and write generic bad statements about Live. Everybody has a personal feeling with things and everybody is free to use whatever makes it fun to him to make music. As stated here many times a lot of people use Live to compose and Logic to mix/produce. They are complementary. Moreover Live can be seriously used to produce. It's all in the workflow.

- Best
- Pasha

[duluxdog]

The problem is that I do find myself torn between the two. I'd like to just one if at all possible but when I settle on one or the other I always find a reason why I shouldn't ditch. I'm into the video side of Live and thought I do prefer the Arrange window horizontal style of editing, it is fast in Live. The actual mixing process is better for me in Logic though. I'm a fan of simplicity so I would ideally like to use a single piece of software to do everything. I got a magazine today called by Music Tech Focus which ran a special on Live. It is interesting because it has a few user interviews and quite a few people seem to be beginning the creative process in Live and then moving into Logic for the final touches/finishing.

[Tone Deft]

which is more fun?

it's session view that makes other DAWs a moot point for me.

[leedsquietman]

I have Cubase and Live. I work on Logic and PT at work quite often.

If you have a powerful computer setup, Live is just as capable of delivering a professional final product as anything else. It lends far more to creativity than linear DAWS (Logic, Cubase, PT) with it's session view and the ability to audition loops and samples and drop them in on the fly.

A blank Logic or Cubase template is about the most depressing thing in the world. Logic might have some great plugins, but if you are not inspired, then you can't use them to full effect.

Although Logic and Cubase have certain advantages, so does Live. Too many people belittle Live as an 'amateur' tool. Look at Ableton's own forum list of users, plenty of pros on there, even if some of these use other tools too.

And Live compliments other DAWS too. If you prefer the mixing view of another DAW (I prefer Cubase's arrange on one monitor and mixer window on another monitor, so for tracks that run 25+, I almost always render and mix in Cubase), although it wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience to use Live.

I went the other way around. I was far more inspired musically after getting Live, I thought I was doing OK in Cubase and plugged away in the linear view and then Live's session view, timewarping and drag and drop on the fly potential just blew me away. No amount of Logic convolution reverbs can beat that !!!!!!!! I do about 85% of my stuff exclusively in LIVE 7 SUITE.

[Daim]

Come on then - let's hear it. Name some professionals recording full albums in Live.

maaanyy.. chris lake, deadmau5, bushwacka.. if u really need names of people using ur sequencer u should consider switching from making music to baking pizza

[sublimelobc]

My music has been a total loner "hobby" for me until recently, however the past couple of months I have started looking for collaboration opportunities to learn methods from others, and to learn the dynamics of working with other musicians.

A couple of the guys I've played with are "pay a studio" types, they are blown away by what I'm able to do with Live, without even needing somebody else to run the recording end while I play. The entire studio process that was "gospel" to them is turned upside down, it really was quite fun to see their face reveal their realization that they are definitely old school.

Another guy has been using PT for years, he has been involved with several groups playing all instruments....as well as recorded and produced albums in his home studio using PT. His reaction to the session view was classic as well, to sit down with somebody for the first time and see how easy it is to record a 10 minute jam, then quickly create 5 segment clips from the jam into their own clips and basically lay out an interesting arrangement in a few minutes time! Priceless!

I worked a little with cubase when I started out, an entry level version..than migrated to Sonar. I loved many things about Sonar, some of the automation and envelopes etc still seem more sophisticated than Live....but I've found that there really are many levels of understanding live, and I have achieved much better results both in quality of composition....due to the session view, and my overall sound results are better than anything I ever did in Sonar. I honestly have rarely even opened up Sonar since I got the full Live package in February.

That said, I still hear great things about Logic, but I work so heavily through session view in composing that I know that I wouldn't last more than a few days working in anything else before becoming frustrated.....because session view is such an intuitive tool for piecing together a song and collecting creative ideas.

I agree with the others that agree Logic is probably a great product....and offers certain tools that perhaps Live doesn't offer yet. I think Live appeals more to a songwriter/producer type.......maybe a straight studio guy would be more concerned about built in tools that follow the conventions and methods somebody spent years learning back in the day and would be frustrated by lack of certain tools and depth in the editing end of things.

Regardless, whoever suggested that no piece of software is going to magically turn somebody into sizzling hot producer or artist....said it best. Find a tool that seems to fit your needs best, than learn it well enough to let it work for you.

Then listen to an album like "Robbin the Hood" by Sublime and realize that a creative mind can make impressive music even screwing around on a four track and few well placed fx.....there is a lot of time lost trying to make the computer the musician.

[abort]

Come on then - let's hear it. Name some professionals recording full albums in Live. Que inevitable calls of 'but how do you define a professional?' blah blah blah. I mean someone who earns a full-time living from their music, who releases albums and has received coverage in music media. Not that defines whether or not the music is good - it doesn't ultimately matter if you enjoy yourself - but as a rough guide to whether or not this software is being used for recording by professionals. I'm trying to find the best way to capture my sound. I am interested in music for its own sake rather than listening to the technology that is being used.

If you can name some artists, great, but it doesn't explain why Live is not up there with Logic, Cubase and Pro Tools. There's always a whiny edge of superiority that pervades the posts on here, as though posters think they're somehow 'cutting edge' or 'taking on the establishment' because they write in Live.

I suppose you have not looked at this list of fine artist that have ever so publicly admitted of using or had used live in some of the work they do.

http://www.ableton.com/pages/artists/list

I was wondering why anyone didn't link this here as evidence instead of debating.

anyway

I read more and post less LATELY!!!!!!!!

[FORMAT]

A blank Logic or Cubase template is about the most depressing thing in the world. Logic might have some great plugins, but if you are not inspired, then you can't use them to full effect.

I've found that when I'm not inspired, no computer program will bring it back... it's only "playing" and "trying presets" and "frickeling", hoping to stumble upon something. I've found that if it's just that, it usually doesn't have a long life.

But I get your point - it's a taste thing.

[elxicano]

Bro, this is all a personal preference... if you can't see that, maybe you shouldn't even be fucking with music in the first place.

Otherwise, if Live is not for you, then stop posting, since you've already lost out on some of your main points about "professionals" recording in Live... the worst part is that even after proving your ass is just too lazy to have figured out you were wrong on your own, you still can't admit that your were wrong to have made the comment in the first place.

Bro, you're just another Trash, trolling around with your bs forum posts.

Bottom line is that things you dislike, others like and vice versa.

Some of us can agree here about wanting additional features in Live, while others won't and all of that makes sense when you take into consideration the progression of Live... but again, you were also too lazy to look this up.

[heavensdaw]

Logic is better than Live

NO IT"S NOT

For all the reasons people have very patiently described...(thanks guys saved me a job and put better than I probably would have too)...

So there you go dulux... you do what turns you on dude..

Hd