Ableton, Serato & Cycling!!!

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Post by Hidden Driveways » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:25 pm

For an Ableton freak like myself who honestly felt guilty when I bought a TTM 57 SL last year, like I was cheating on my girlfriend or something, because I wanted to DJ with vinyl and check out Serato... this news is crazy happy!

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But one thing you should keep in mind, Abes... Serato Scratch Live currently runs like a champ on my old PowerBook G4 with 512 of RAM. It's seriously efficient and awesome that way. I feel no pressure that I have to go out and spend a ton of money on a new computer just to keep up. Just keep that in mind, okay? :wink:

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Post by Mike Goodwin » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:27 pm

This is great news indeed! I asked about this several years ago and now it is here :)

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Post by Hidden Driveways » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:34 pm

The Ableton side of my studio is going to be friends with the Serato side of my studio?
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What?!? :D

AdamJay, you have to chime in on this one!

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Post by Geezus » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:42 pm

I could have swore I could already use serrato with ableton simply by routing serrato output to an ableton audio channel. its not that hard

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Post by tylenol » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:47 pm

ava wrote:what do you think this new tool will bring?
A year of silence after the initial press releases? (I kid, I kid..but still...)

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Post by dcease » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:05 pm

nice setup, boob! how are those cute little gennies?

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Post by timbreland » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:07 pm

So

Cycling=Live 8

Serato=Live 9 :?:

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Post by ikeaboy » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:22 pm

jeskola wrote:Much like this?

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ2jTG7OLss
thats what I'd like to see. Better learn to scratch so

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Post by Hidden Driveways » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:29 pm

Geezus wrote:I could have swore I could already use serrato with ableton simply by routing serrato output to an ableton audio channel. its not that hard
Integrating software to work with one another is a tad bit different than routing audio signals together. :roll:
dcease wrote:nice setup, boob! how are those cute little gennies?
They're sweet. Decent bass, but I wouldn't mind getting the sub. I also kind of want to get a non-surgical monitoring thing happening. Get a Genelec sub, get a monitor switching station thing (Presonus Monitor Station), hook up a booxbox, and I know this is kind of sacrilegious, but I want a pair of those M-Audio EX66 with the BX10 sub. Just for the gluttony of going from the clean and precise Genelec world - to the in your face thump of the M-Audio thing - to the consumer realm of a boombox. I think it would be fun to make beats on the M-Audios and then pull the mix together with the Genelecs.

Anyways... I really didn't see this partnership coming. In fact, because Serato went as far as naming their main product Scratch Live - I saw them more as rivals.

My fanboy status has actually increased. I didn't think that was possible. I've been addicted to Pluggo lately, Scratch Live has been my guilty pleasure for over a year, and I'm a dyed in the wool Ableton addict. Life is good. My favorite tools are all partners!

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Post by hacktheplanet » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:45 pm

I think I just peed a little.
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Post by nuxnamon » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:00 pm

It's kinda like 2 girls you've been seeing secretly on the side.. You've been dying to see what the possibilities are with them 2 at the same time.. This might be the closest to a threesome as I will ever get.. :oops:

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Post by robleighton22 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:09 pm

nuxnamon wrote:It's kinda like 2 girls you've been seeing secretly on the side.. You've been dying to see what the possibilities are with them 2 at the same time.. This might be the closest to a threesome as I will ever get.. :oops:
haha

this has inspired to get my technics 1210 fixed. basically the needle will get caught in a groove and keep looping a segment of the record until u move the position. it makes mixing imposible, particularly that it potentially will get stuck randomly....altho it will never make it to the end of the record. n e ideas wat the problem is? ive bought new needles, still doesnt make a difference. wonder if i need a whole new tone arm. gash. but willing to shell out to get ableton and serato together, that wud b siiiiiiiick!!!!

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Post by Tone Deft » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:24 pm

great, another announced partnership. :roll: I don't trust Ableton with these anymore, they're jerking us off AGAIN.

the C74 partnership is 18 months old, this one's another wet dream we'll have to wait years for.

at least it'll give people something to talk about.

as far as the Ableton programming staff I wonder if the same number of programmers are doing Live enhancement (Live 8) and how many are off working with other companies (C74 and Serato.)


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Post by siliconarc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:31 pm

robleighton22 wrote:this has inspired to get my technics 1210 fixed. basically the needle will get caught in a groove and keep looping a segment of the record until u move the position. it makes mixing imposible, particularly that it potentially will get stuck randomly....altho it will never make it to the end of the record. n e ideas wat the problem is? ive bought new needles, still doesnt make a difference. wonder if i need a whole new tone arm. gash. but willing to shell out to get ableton and serato together, that wud b siiiiiiiick!!!!
anti-skating set up correctly?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQkbZmU2WM
if not, could be the ball bearings.

and yea, i find it a bit crap that ableton are announcing a new partnership without releasing a single shred of info about the last partnership announcement :evil:
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Post by six_o_clock_crow » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:35 pm

I agree with Tone Deft, I think. I'd rather see the fruits of the C74 collaboration before yet another partnership is announced.

I am happy for those users who will get some use out of this, when it actually happens. But as someone who uses Live mainly for - shock horror! - manipulation of audio loops I would prefer to see two things happen more than anything else:

1. Development of the original Live concept - i.e.manipulating audio in a live setting.

2. Optimising the program code and fixing bugs - it's so unsexy, but I wish software developers would concentrate on this more. As programme versions increase, and computers/laptops get more powerful, is it so unreasonable to expect that software would run more efficiently and be more stable?

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