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Hi,

I'm from the UK so no direct input but:

I have to say that although I was not for Obama at first (too much posturing) I would say that he is the best thing to happen to US politics in a long time.

The US had lost it's way and with Bush at the helm had become the laughing stock of the world. You may not think that in the USA, but I travel extensively in my work and got the same feedback wherever I went. Bush was an arse and unfortunately the citizens of the US were thought of the same way. If McCain had been elected that would just have continued. I mean what kind of jerk put forward someone like Sarah Palin without fully checking her credentials. The thought of her as president of the US is truely terrifiying!!

Obama has brought a serious and inspirational leadership to the US that can only be good for the World at large.

He may not pull it off, but his influence will be huge for world unity and hope and that alone has to be worth it.

Hey wildcon.

MANY of us in the US thought Bush was a stupid ass to.

MORE than a few of us sat with our heads in our hands screaming "What the fuck are you doing! NO" as he executed the overwhelming majority of his decisions.

Cheney was a greedy sun of a bitch who scared the hell out of us cause we had no idea what he was going to do next.

Just so you know we're all in this together.

deva wrote:

forge wrote:

Emissary wrote: as long as america actually "changes" and its not all just empty rhetoric then yes. Unfortunately i fail see to one drop of evidence of this promised "change" can someone enlighten me?

I think most of the America bashing was a result of Dubbaya somehow managing to get in twice. That made Americans fair game. Today they made up for it.

Since the election was stolen in 2000 and 2004, you cannot directly blame U.S. citizens as much as a corrupt system.

Criticism of the U.S. is not going to stop until U.S. policy changes. The U.S. is still engaged in 2 immoral wars, still is murdering lots of people and attempting the overthrow of democratically elected governments, still has a military budget as big as the rest of the world combined, still is using the threat of first nuclear strike, still has by far the largest number of its citizens in prison, etc.

The U.S. has a history of destroying democratic peoples movements and the installing of dictators around the world that started long before Bush II.

well I was only being vaguely serious (although I do think America's reputation was destroyed by Bush and voting in Obama will go a long way to repairing that) but if anything the thing that yesterday highlighted was that if the population really didn't want Bush then the election theft wouldn't matter

deva wrote: And in U.S. history, Democrats have started more wars than Republicans.

given the number of Kennedy comparisons, the whole Russian missile thing etc etc - it is slightly unnerving that it was actually Kennedy who took the world to the brink of Nuclear war over something very similar

I'm mildly proud to be American now. Although I know someone will say something stupid tomorrow and it will subside. BARACK WINS!!! FATALITY!

deva wrote:He repealed the Glass-Steagall Act which is what opened the door for the current financial collapse.

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While it is technically true that clinton did repeal the act, it was reublican phil gramm that initiated the process that would ultimately be tucked under a "must pass" bill at teh end of clintons second term. clinton could have vetoed it, but the republican controlled congress had enough power to override it anyway.

forge wrote:

deva wrote: And in U.S. history, Democrats have started more wars than Republicans.

given the number of Kennedy comparisons, the whole Russian missile thing etc etc - it is slightly unnerving that it was actually Kennedy who took the world to the brink of Nuclear war over something very similar

Didn't he do well to diffuse the crisis? He could have just sent a military force to attack Cuba, but was it not a blockade to prevent more missiles arriving, and secretly removing US missiles in Turkey? Seems pretty sensible to me.

fatrabbit wrote:

forge wrote:

deva wrote: And in U.S. history, Democrats have started more wars than Republicans.

given the number of Kennedy comparisons, the whole Russian missile thing etc etc - it is slightly unnerving that it was actually Kennedy who took the world to the brink of Nuclear war over something very similar

Didn't he do well to diffuse the crisis? He could have just sent a military force to attack Cuba, but was it not a blockade to prevent more missiles arriving, and secretly removing US missiles in Turkey? Seems pretty sensible to me.

I don't know that much about it other than all the testimonials of Baby boomers who really thought they were on the brink of nuclear war

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