OT How many of you believe in aliens?

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How many of you believe in aliens?

Yes
40
42%
No
9
9%
Maybe some wheres far away
47
49%
 
Total votes: 96

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Wed May 20, 2009 4:20 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:I have NO CLUE where TD is coming from but he is definitely going a bit over the top. Cosmology and Quantum physics are regularly reported on in the publicized scientific media. It's done so that ANYONE can understand it's premises. I do understand exactly how nuclear propulsion works, but point being, I never claimed to be an expert or a nuclear physicist. Is someone "bullshitting" by stating the truth? I pointed out the fact that the United States did exactly what I stated they did in the late 60s and proposed a very LOGICAL speculation from that given stance. There is simply no call for being a dick head over next to nothing. Especially when I can't even get that individual to share his music with me after trying for several years. I know one thing, he has a well known public reputation for a big hot tempered mouth. That's about it. I'm sorry TD, but dude, YOU need to lighten up a bit. Please.
you are saying nothing but resorting to personal attacks. you got caught with your pants down.

the part in red is retarded. back that up. :lol:
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by UKRuss » Wed May 20, 2009 4:22 pm

Errr. New Scientist?

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Wed May 20, 2009 4:22 pm

UKRuss wrote:Ooooo, not sure, now having heard your first chown. I think you've gots the skillz!
now you're just being a dick. I got my science degree which is a LOT harder than making a tune.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Wed May 20, 2009 4:24 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:I do understand exactly how nuclear propulsion works
:lol: please do explain!!
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Machinesworking » Wed May 20, 2009 4:27 pm

DrXparaMental wrote: Whereas I respect the research you have eluded to, this was not the findings of the most exhaustive studies done on the phenomenon to date have to offer. These studies were done by the late DR.John Mack who was both a Harvard professor as well as a Nobel prize winner.
Stating one study by a singular person to downplay the entire psychiatric communities findings isn't what I would call a great come back. Especially since you didn't offer his research findings.

OK after reading the wiki, he's full of shit, typical new age explanation for what is now regarded as repressed memories resurfacing as alien abduction. It's much more romantic and goofy to believe that alien abduction is some spiritual awakening experience that western culture cannot grasp. Though anal probing has rational and instantly recognizable and gruesome explanations in the research I'm talking about, whereas I would love to know how John Mack tried to explain this in his studies. :lol:

Sorry man, but I think it's plainly obvious that the majority of the psychiatric community has reached the rational conclusion wheres John Mack reached the romantic and typically anti western conclusion that was popular at the time his studies took place.

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by DrXparaMental » Wed May 20, 2009 4:30 pm

So far TD, you have done nothing but call names and have not actually provided anything of substance within this thread's context. Do you honestly have ANYTHING to state "here", within this thread's context, other than some up tight and ridiculous claims like "I call bullshit man" or "you're retarded dude"

Bottom Line: Bullshit = lying

#1) Please quote verbatim my lies.

and #2) please explain what exactly is the "retarded" nature of new discoveries within Cosmology (which is NOT anything to do with make up bud) and Quantum Physics being reported on in media. Do you own a TV? Do you read much? I am completely at a loss to understand your logic TD. Forgive me if I am missing something obvious, but man, you are coming off like a complete cock.

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Machinesworking » Wed May 20, 2009 4:41 pm

UKRuss wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:I'm not about to pretend that I do, or to reference new age movies in an attempt to make it metaphysical.
Why not?

You don't need to be a quantum phsicist to have valid questions about your universe or to reference anything you like in respect of finding a link between social standpoints and opinions and the arts.

in fact you already did, Bodysnatchers and enslavement.

Carry on, it's good, healthy and fun.
The part in red, people constantly reference science fields they know nothing at all about to back up their questions, which makes them look like total idiots. Shit they even jump to conclusions using references from shitty movies like "What the $&^%$ Do we Know?", which uses multiple references to quantum physics to back up it's new age bullshit. This isn't IMO healthy conversation, it's clouding science in mythology, which does both a disfavor.
All I'm saying is sure, talk about science, that's great, but referencing quantum mechanics or string theory to back up your religious or spiritual beliefs is libelous at best.

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by DrXparaMental » Wed May 20, 2009 4:42 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote: Whereas I respect the research you have eluded to, this was not the findings of the most exhaustive studies done on the phenomenon to date have to offer. These studies were done by the late DR.John Mack who was both a Harvard professor as well as a Nobel prize winner.
Stating one study by a singular person to downplay the entire psychiatric communities findings isn't what I would call a great come back. Especially since you didn't offer his research findings.

OK after reading the wiki, he's full of shit, typical new age explanation for what is now regarded as repressed memories resurfacing as alien abduction. It's much more romantic and goofy to believe that alien abduction is some spiritual awakening experience that western culture cannot grasp. Though anal probing has rational and instantly recognizable and gruesome explanations in the research I'm talking about, whereas I would love to know how John Mack tried to explain this in his studies. :lol:

Sorry man, but I think it's plainly obvious that the majority of the psychiatric community has reached the rational conclusion wheres John Mack reached the romantic and typically anti western conclusion that was popular at the time his studies took place.
Could you please cite the report to substantiate that which you are claiming. Obviously there has been a formal summary and empirical refute according your level of assuredness with respect to speaking for the majority of the licensed psychiatric community?

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by DrXparaMental » Wed May 20, 2009 4:44 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
UKRuss wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:I'm not about to pretend that I do, or to reference new age movies in an attempt to make it metaphysical.
Why not?

You don't need to be a quantum phsicist to have valid questions about your universe or to reference anything you like in respect of finding a link between social standpoints and opinions and the arts.

in fact you already did, Bodysnatchers and enslavement.

Carry on, it's good, healthy and fun.
The part in red, people constantly reference science fields they know nothing at all about to back up their questions, which makes them look like total idiots. Shit they even jump to conclusions using references from shitty movies like "What the $&^%$ Do we Know?", which uses multiple references to quantum physics to back up it's new age bullshit. This isn't IMO healthy conversation, it's clouding science in mythology, which does both a disfavor.
All I'm saying is sure, talk about science, that's great, but referencing quantum mechanics or string theory to back up your religious or spiritual beliefs is libelous at best.
Please quote the "religious or spiritual" beliefs you are referring to.

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Tone Deft » Wed May 20, 2009 4:44 pm

at one point you said I didn't know who you were. well, who are you?? IIRC you're an experienced touring bass player and I think you mentioned being a very very avid vinyl collector. both are commendable, I respect that, but I don't know where your footing is with science. what were you getting at?


this is where you nuked the fridge... this is ridiculous and full of holes you could drive a bus through.
DrXparaMental wrote:No question. This is a very short condensed speculation in a hypothesis that I have. There is no question that science itself is bad ass stuff. There is something happening this very moment that is beyond amazing with respect to evolution and a specific affirmation of the Darwinian school of thought.

It's interesting to note that the United States successfully developed, tested and put into use, atomic "engines" or power sources for space travel in the late 60s. When is the last time you heard of atomic based flight and space travel technology? Stealth technology existed and is well documented as being in working order in the early 70s.

The Germans were working on "field technologies" and "anti gravity" technologies during WWII. We scooped those scientists up and brought 90% of them to the USA after WWII. They began work in the southwest region of the USA. Very near Roswell. (duh!)

In science today, there is no more interesting or cutting edge theories than those that have been put forth, and PROVED on paper, within the realms of Quantum Physics and Cosmology. We know that there are multiple dimensions all around us. In fact, there is a very distinct and strong possibility that there are in fact "parallel universes" connected to one another via back to back "worm holes".

As mentioned formerly in this little post, private r&d technology based companies can and do keep secrets. Is it not possible that we ourselves have been developing and using technologies that utilize some of these Quantum principles?

The real question for the long term UFO researcher is based in recorded documentations that have been historically kept via various cultures that describe what we observe as "UFOs" to the "T". This is a HUGE quandary that more so points to a separate hypothetical validation for an alternate form of intelligence being responsible for this type of technology. The question becomes a pure speculation at this point. This being in that we can also well imagine our own human species, as reaching that evolutionary stage within our technological development, where dimensional manipulation and transport means become a working reality for us as well.

Here is a tiny look at something I have been mulling around for the last few years. Could it be that we as a species have completely misperceived the sheer vastness of our native natural environment? What if the Earth itself as an environment were dimensionally specific to several highly intelligent species? The human species being just one of those. Could it be that what we call "aliens" are in fact longer term residents of the Earth than ourselves? Perhaps long before before mankind stopped dwelling in caves, this alternate native species, specific to it's own Earth bound dimension, developed the technology to come and go from the dimensional aspect that we identify as our normal environmental occupancy, much as we would via a submarine in the ocean. The dimensions that are now being cataloged and theorized about via Quantum Physics and Cosmology may possibly be these beings natural home right here on Earth.

Just some thoughts.
also, you weren't able to define quantum physics and you still haven't owned up to knowing how a nuclear reactor works. you're probably looking it up on the web. throwing links at us is not answering the question.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by Machinesworking » Wed May 20, 2009 4:56 pm

DrXparaMental wrote: Could you please cite the report to substantiate that which you are claiming. Obviously there has been a formal summary and empirical refute according your level of assuredness with respect to speaking for the majority of the licensed psychiatric community?
Google, same thing I had to use for your irrefutable evidence. My interest in psychology was 1o years ago, so specific books are lost to me. AFA the spiritual reference, you're not the only poster here, and I have to agree with Tone AFA your understanding of the science backing up your claims.

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Wed May 20, 2009 5:04 pm

:mrgreen:
Everything about this subject I learned from:
Lovecraft.
Star Trek
The Universe (documentary series on History Channel. A great series, btw).

Not necessarily in that order.

Certainly not claiming to be any sort of expert on this stuff. I do find the anti-matter subject interesting; as it moves out of the realm of science fiction every year.
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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by DrXparaMental » Wed May 20, 2009 5:04 pm

Tone Deft wrote:at one point you said I didn't know who you were. well, who are you?? IIRC you're an experienced touring bass player and I think you mentioned being a very very avid vinyl collector. both are commendable, I respect that, but I don't know where your footing is with science. what were you getting at?


this is where you nuked the fridge... this is ridiculous and full of holes you could drive a bus through.
DrXparaMental wrote:No question. This is a very short condensed speculation in a hypothesis that I have. There is no question that science itself is bad ass stuff. There is something happening this very moment that is beyond amazing with respect to evolution and a specific affirmation of the Darwinian school of thought.

It's interesting to note that the United States successfully developed, tested and put into use, atomic "engines" or power sources for space travel in the late 60s. When is the last time you heard of atomic based flight and space travel technology? Stealth technology existed and is well documented as being in working order in the early 70s.

The Germans were working on "field technologies" and "anti gravity" technologies during WWII. We scooped those scientists up and brought 90% of them to the USA after WWII. They began work in the southwest region of the USA. Very near Roswell. (duh!)

In science today, there is no more interesting or cutting edge theories than those that have been put forth, and PROVED on paper, within the realms of Quantum Physics and Cosmology. We know that there are multiple dimensions all around us. In fact, there is a very distinct and strong possibility that there are in fact "parallel universes" connected to one another via back to back "worm holes".

As mentioned formerly in this little post, private r&d technology based companies can and do keep secrets. Is it not possible that we ourselves have been developing and using technologies that utilize some of these Quantum principles?

The real question for the long term UFO researcher is based in recorded documentations that have been historically kept via various cultures that describe what we observe as "UFOs" to the "T". This is a HUGE quandary that more so points to a separate hypothetical validation for an alternate form of intelligence being responsible for this type of technology. The question becomes a pure speculation at this point. This being in that we can also well imagine our own human species, as reaching that evolutionary stage within our technological development, where dimensional manipulation and transport means become a working reality for us as well.

Here is a tiny look at something I have been mulling around for the last few years. Could it be that we as a species have completely misperceived the sheer vastness of our native natural environment? What if the Earth itself as an environment were dimensionally specific to several highly intelligent species? The human species being just one of those. Could it be that what we call "aliens" are in fact longer term residents of the Earth than ourselves? Perhaps long before before mankind stopped dwelling in caves, this alternate native species, specific to it's own Earth bound dimension, developed the technology to come and go from the dimensional aspect that we identify as our normal environmental occupancy, much as we would via a submarine in the ocean. The dimensions that are now being cataloged and theorized about via Quantum Physics and Cosmology may possibly be these beings natural home right here on Earth.

Just some thoughts.
also, you weren't able to define quantum physics and you still haven't owned up to knowing how a nuclear reactor works. you're probably looking it up on the web. throwing links at us is not answering the question.
Please, take your time. I am waiting for you to qualify your FIRST post, let alone 5 or 6 posts later. So far there has yet to a single factual refute from you. Just empty guess work and meaningless jumps to conclusions that seem to be entirely emotion based. Do I sense envy or intolerance here? 8O

Since this is not TD's 7th birthday party, when is it the world's ethical requirement or responsibility to stop and dance for you?

Again, I ask you: "Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute within the context of this thread?" Otherwise, by scientific definition, you R just trolling you know. :wink:

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by DrXparaMental » Wed May 20, 2009 5:06 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote: Could you please cite the report to substantiate that which you are claiming. Obviously there has been a formal summary and empirical refute according your level of assuredness with respect to speaking for the majority of the licensed psychiatric community?
Google, same thing I had to use for your irrefutable evidence. My interest in psychology was 1o years ago, so specific books are lost to me. AFA the spiritual reference, you're not the only poster here, and I have to agree with Tone AFA your understanding of the science backing up your claims.
So in other words, guy with cool name, you're basically just blathering. :wink:

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Re: OT How many of you believe in aliens?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Wed May 20, 2009 5:18 pm

The problem with the entire subject of alien visitations is similar to those ghost hunter shows: There's never been a shred of concrete, irrefutable proof. I mean something along the lines of, oh dunno, A GIANT FUCKING SPACESHIP HOVERING OVER NYC?

Living in this Gadget Age - where there's a camera in every single device - wouldn't it stand to reason that someone out there might actually get some really clear, killer footage of.........something by now? Same with those goofy ghost shows. Christ on a bike. Just once I'd like some ghostly apparition to actually appear and start talking. For a half hour. Then an hour. Then for hours. I want the person filming the ghost to actually get bored enough to tell it to STFU. Proof.

On another matter, anyone seen the trailer for District 9? Looks good.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pict ... trict9/hd/
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