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Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:05 pm
by TechnoPrisoner
i am not sure if someone else posted this earlier
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO RECORD AUTOMATION IN SESSION CLIPS! with capitals
big thanks!
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:51 pm
by Slightlydelic
TechnoPrisoner wrote:i am not sure if someone else posted this earlier
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO RECORD AUTOMATION IN SESSION CLIPS! with capitals
big thanks!
its doable, theres a workaround for it, i suspect there more creative milage to be had out of it than a properly integrated solution.
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:36 am
by shatzer
snowtires wrote:I would like to see Live split into two programs, Ableton Live and Ableton Live Studio. 'Live' would be what session view is now and deal with the performance aspect of what Live 1-8 have had, and 'Live Studio' would be what arrangement view is now, focusing on the 'recording studio' aspect of that portion of Live. Along with that, there would be a team of programmers assigned to each program, and their sole focus would be on making their assigned aspect of Live to be better than it currently is. Make the programs work as a plugin within the other OR finally give the dual monitor people what they want and allow both programs to do a sort of rewire to each other, so you could have them both open and on separate screens.
I know a lot of people here only use the session view portion of Live, where I only use arrangement mode. There are a lot of people who use both, but it seems like most are primarily one or the other. When Live gets updated and a lot of stuff goes into session mode, I just get bummed, because I would rather the Abes focus on the arrangement section of Live. I know there are a lot of people who feel the exact opposite way, so maybe splitting the program into two would be a viable option. Instead of paying $200 (I think that's what it usually costs to upgrade, right?) to upgrade from Live 8 to Live 9, offer current users the option of upgrading to just one branch - Live or Live Studio - for $125. If current users want to upgrade and get both programs, charge them a little less, like $225, so the customer saves $25, but you've got an extra $25 per order to hopefully justify hiring a couple more programmers and create the two diverging programs. This could also bring down the cost of each program, so you would have new customers coming into the fold (thanks to the lowered retail price of the now-separated Live and Live Studio), who could ALSO potentially purchase the upgrade to Live and Live Studio and give you guys even more money. All of this goes to support two groups of programmers who only have to focus on one aspect of the two main aspects of Live (in its current state), as opposed to spreading a single group thin, trying to work on it all, which ends up leading to a release so buggy that it's still being beta tested over a year later. I doubt this will happen, but it sure would be sweet.
Thats why i went to Pro Tools. I never used the stupid clips in session view. I only use arrangement view. I find the punch in/out in Ableton much easier to work with but PT reigns supreme in tracking, editing and mixing. (For me anyway) True Ableton is a Live program, hence the name Ableton Live. I also wanted this "Ableton Studio" but I came to terms with it NEVER happening.
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:13 am
by locojohn
shatzer wrote:snowtires wrote:I would like to see Live split into two programs, Ableton Live and Ableton Live Studio. 'Live' would be what session view is now and deal with the performance aspect of what Live 1-8 have had, and 'Live Studio' would be what arrangement view is now, focusing on the 'recording studio' aspect of that portion of Live.
+1 for Ableton Studio with full necessary modern support for arrangement/MIDI functionality.
Andrejs
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:25 am
by nerveagent
-1 on making live a fully fledged midi production suite. if you want cubase, buy cubase. i don't miss it and i'm a big user of midi. automation drawing envelope the only thing i miss.
what i really REALLY want is the ability to load a new set while another set is running, and then have some way of cross-fading without stopping.
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:01 pm
by locojohn
nerveagent wrote:-1 on making live a fully fledged midi production suite. if you want cubase, buy cubase. i don't miss it and i'm a big user of midi. automation drawing envelope the only thing i miss.
Sorry, but I don't want to buy Cubase just for the fact that it offers better arrangement functionality and MIDI support. I don't want to work in several different systems for production! It's uninspiring and time consuming. I pay for the single platform both for production and for playing live. Ableton Live is supposed to offer all that and I've been using it for years, but it misses certain important functionality in the arrangement view for now. That's all.
Andrejs
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:01 pm
by nerveagent
locojohn wrote:nerveagent wrote:-1 on making live a fully fledged midi production suite. if you want cubase, buy cubase. i don't miss it and i'm a big user of midi. automation drawing envelope the only thing i miss.
Sorry, but I don't want to buy Cubase just for the fact that it offers better arrangement functionality and MIDI support. I don't want to work in several different systems for production! It's uninspiring and time consuming. I pay for the single platform both for production and for playing live. Ableton Live is supposed to offer all that and I've been using it for years, but it misses certain important functionality in the arrangement view for now. That's all.
Andrejs
I love it's simplicity, I think that adding zillions of features will fuck it right up.
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:22 pm
by leedsquietman
I still use Cubase for the very reasons mentioned and remain a big fan of it, but Live is my heart and soul, all my compostions start with it and the majority of my electronic music is completely done with it. I think though that Live is both simple AND complex, it has a lot of depth if you need it. I hope that Live 9 will make a number of core users happier and bring that extra stability which some people are not experiencing with Live 8.
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:57 pm
by nz
Comping features that Logic and Pro Tools have!
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:47 pm
by zooli
Dual Screens : Arrangement / Session view
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:35 am
by arctic ranger
zooli wrote:Dual Screens : Arrangement / Session view
been asked for forever...dont hold your breath
imo just making the browser floatable would be cool...but things like this aint gonna happen
been a user since version four and even though almost all the userbase would like this it still
falls on deaf ears...
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:16 am
by longjohns
nerveagent wrote:
what i really REALLY want is the ability to load a new set while another set is running, and then have some way of cross-fading without stopping.
2 instances?
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:45 am
by nerveagent
longjohns wrote:nerveagent wrote:
what i really REALLY want is the ability to load a new set while another set is running, and then have some way of cross-fading without stopping.
2 instances?
no tempo sync; doubling the use of memory; issues with simultaneous access to the sound card; plus i'm not even sure that ableton supports running two instances assuming those other issues can be solved.
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:43 am
by Winterpark
LOOPER:
Allow the "drag me" button to become Midi-mappable.... with the resulting drags going to an assigned audio channel, and with the same action, clear looper's buffer.
I quite like the re-sampling/overdubbing of audio, as it can create really interesting textures, and i think if the drag button became midi-assignable, you could have the best of both worlds, in that you could loop and loop and create textures, or you could tap on a key or a footswitch each bar, or 4 bars or however long you want, and midi-map-drag to create clips.
Re: Features you would like to see in Ableton 9?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:58 am
by cacti
stability