Top 5 things I will regret after going from Live8 to Live9

[leisuremuffin]

Agreed, good post. and much of my points have been swept up in arguing trying to get back to my point. I'm just not very good at it. My intentions are to protest in a wide swath. It has it;s disadvantages. The fighting from fanboy number one has done it's work. He's good, lol. Regardless, the forum environment is not healthy for power-users. gearslutz is the best example where top shakers and movers drop in and lay down their wisdom and critiques. It's not a software forum, but it shows how levels of users can actually interact positively. This place was sort of birthed on trollers and still carries that torch, lol. My passion is directed at abelton first, and that's not unreasonable. It's just that one has to walk an endless gauntlet. I use fanboy as a derogatory term that I may have redefined. It's not to be confused with fan.

Ok, so what are your points that are getting "swept up in arguing?" I'm serious, just rattle off what your points are in one clear post with no name calling.

[knotkranky]

Agreed, good post. and much of my points have been swept up in arguing trying to get back to my point. I'm just not very good at it. My intentions are to protest in a wide swath. It has it;s disadvantages. The fighting from fanboy number one has done it's work. He's good, lol. Regardless, the forum environment is not healthy for power-users. gearslutz is the best example where top shakers and movers drop in and lay down their wisdom and critiques. It's not a software forum, but it shows how levels of users can actually interact positively. This place was sort of birthed on trollers and still carries that torch, lol. My passion is directed at abelton first, and that's not unreasonable. It's just that one has to walk an endless gauntlet. I use fanboy as a derogatory term that I may have redefined. It's not to be confused with fan.

Ok, so what are your points that are getting "swept up in arguing?" I'm serious, just rattle off what your points are in one clear post with no name calling.

Ableton Borg trolling open discussion and creating a forum environment that's uninviting for power-users much needed suggestions and protests. A modicum of effort might lean things towards a sound browser and possibly other foundational improvements. This forum is a bit of a troll magnet because of the freedom here. It will never be supplanted by common sense. It is entertaining tho. But I'm done. There are also some sandwiches to eat. Oh, and kimchi.

[leisuremuffin]

the problem is that you are the noise in the signal to noise ratio, not me. Not whoever else you decide isn't enough of a power user for you. You are the one trolling, not me and not "fanboys."

You say you want conversation that will improve live. That's great, I'm all for that. But I don't see you offering any! There isn't any value in just saying "live sucks," you need to explain WHY it sucks. That has value.

Look, i have to use this fucking program. Until somebody comes out with a competing product, i'm stuck with it. I can't go on stage with logic or pro tools homie. The answer to any issues i have using the software isn't to say "wow, ableton really fucked up here, they need to fix it or else." Saying that doesn't make any music for me. And saying it without any specific complaint doesn't do anything for anybody. But explaining a problem in detail does do something. Someone might offer a solution or workaround for you. Or yes, maybe you come up with a great idea that ableton will implement in the future. but how do you think that any of the posts you've made in this thread help make ableton better?

[knotkranky]

the problem is that you are the noise in the signal to noise ratio, not me. Not whoever else you decide isn't enough of a power user for you. You are the one trolling, not me and not "fanboys."

You say you want conversation that will improve live. That's great, I'm all for that. But I don't see you offering any! There isn't any value in just saying "live sucks," you need to explain WHY it sucks. That has value.

Look, i have to use this fucking program. Until somebody comes out with a competing product, i'm stuck with it. I can't go on stage with logic or pro tools homie. The answer to any issues i have using the software isn't to say "wow, ableton really fucked up here, they need to fix it or else." Saying that doesn't make any music for me. And saying it without any specific complaint doesn't do anything for anybody. But explaining a problem in detail does do something. Someone might offer a solution or workaround for you. Or yes, maybe you come up with a great idea that ableton will implement in the future. but how do you think that any of the posts you've made in this thread help make ableton better?

Liarmuffin

I've never ever ever said "live sucks" Never. Why do you feel the need to stoop so low? Geez man. eek!

You are a bold faced liar. You've crossed the line and have been owned proper.

Regardless, we've said it all ten times over, ad nauseam. The problem has been splayed and displayed. Thank you.

Hope you feel better soon, toodles

[Blendton]

Yeah yeah fake issues being only what in french is named "mediocre", Live 1 to 7 was merely the same to be upgraded, then with eight things began - slow enough to avoid this "mediocre" phenomenon about : change.

What I just see, it's Ableton being spotted as in a "critical" situation, ...

Well... I remember myself calling Push the Pushing things forward just too much, now I just see artists being just playing that thing for ... pf monthes, on Youtube, I can't stop feeling "the urge" for that stuff, and why ?

Because "not an instrument" will be true as far as you can't get it, I mean, it's not about the box and pads, it's about the Live & Push, and Max, dudes, please

It's time to give up your regrets "and blah", if you're still on some debates about what we miss what we have to eat now, sorry, firstly just do like me, 8 + 9 on the same computer, and in fact I keep 8 for nostalgic sessions purposs just by some kind of respect I have toward this major revision, but now, rules have changed ; and "mediocre" because based on fear and pripal reactions instead of having hindsight ; lol >>> e.g. you know about that "we put those rules" from Microsoft for their next Xbox, ad aftermath of the E3 thing is, they do the U-turn, give up all criticized stuff, now I read more "Xbox" stuff without being interested, than "PS4" redundancy marketshit.

When Ableton was on beta testing for Nine, many of us remember that chaotic, useless, almost "never will be able to" do the job ; it was a painful shity work.

Work is a rewarding habit. We need this. I don't want to think one day like if I spoke in that "Moroder" style ; like if I felt the need for that change.

I don't own Push yet. I'm a pianist & drummer before everything. I was young but already starving for NEW stuff :

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I can continue but no point here : while I'm taking )pleasure with "lectrotchestral" with lot of pleasure triggered by the joke "you ear fakz people, the viola isn't real the brass doesn't exist, you are earing electronic music ...

I can't say if it'zs because I don't have any other tha keyboard & mouse for the moment, sionce APC40/LP/midi keys are gone but when I randomly put that Youtube perfomance being Debussy played on... THAT MIDI THING ???

>>> MUST dig it. My mum was to serve coffee and asked if I played that, orif it was a friend I was watching, then she said : "mon dieu, c'est quoi ???" (OMG, what's THAT)

You see, if people like her being closer to her 70y than 65, can be stunned because she's not concerned and has an objective point of view...

To all complainers, just go or get it for once, Live has changed, I'm happy with that, I know how being @ 9 or @ 8 what the fuck it's the same, Nine being superior after some time to improve, it jusrt begins, and WTF, Behles is not a sucker, just in case you thought about this ... I won't be a sucker.

End of masturbating sounding crap please ?

Pfff ... keybd/mouse stuff seems to affect my workflow since I lost time posting this. I just have to click submit for at last this "WTF wake-up dudes" be +/- closed

cheers

[Nokatus]

Blendton style.

[Blendton]

That's the way HAha HhaaaHaaa we liiiike it HAha HhaaHA !

[joeyfivecents]

@ joeyfivecents - "naw" was just a casual way to say I don't agree with you. No dismissiveness intended. It was a respectful reply to your comment. Sorry. Read again in a Mr. Rogers voice. Regardless, you'll never find live working a recording music session as the studio workstation because it was never designed to do that. It might be marketed as such, but It has nothing to do with engineers taking the time. Try recording and comping vocals in live. No way mate. but this isn't a point to make. We're off in the weeds.

I didn't mean any disrespect. Cheers

I didn't think about comping. That is one area where Live is pretty bad. Comping in Logic makes a lot of sense...Reason too.
One other thing Live is missing is pitch correction.

[leisuremuffin]

yes, live does not have a good workflow for the traditional comping of tracks. It is at least somewhat easier now that we have crossfades, but no it's not even close to ideal.

However, i just spent the day comping violin tracks by slicing them to drum racks and then making my comp by playing keys. try that in pro tools.

Personally I don't need live to have every single traditional DAW function. Those functions are already available in a great deal of other software.



oh, and i've cheated some pitch correction by slicing to a drum rack too. it's certainly not ideal, but it is doable in a pinch.

[ZALTA19900]

My only regret is that the acoustic libraries are not as good to be be a once and for all solution.

[stringtapper]

On topic spambots?

[knotkranky]

Make no mistake tho.

Pro Tools is really about "Pro Tools HD" or Now "Pro Tools HDX"

Regular native Pro Tools is simply Avids' response to lap-top warriors wanting it for years.

Waaayyyyy different, and always confused. fyi

[Blendton]

Make no mistake tho.

Pro Tools is really about "Pro Tools HD" or Now "Pro Tools HDX"

Regular native Pro Tools is simply Avids' response to lap-top warriors wanting it for years.

Waaayyyyy different, and always confused. fyi

So I can say as I feel some Xp in Pro-Tools by the way you turned your poiny : Pro-Tools azs it's known for in fact WYF ut dezfinitly not what it should be viewed for, is :

1/ on scene, for mixing many mics >>> the "ICON" grade, don't know if It'qs still the former Icon Venue Mixer grade >>> HD/HDX

1/ for public audience no other than the full monopolistic and as today for many years, still HD/HDX

3/for POST worj : veing vid>audio sync, doing for nationals what little independant media fixing rekated tasks but without budget, with great respect for a girl who still is forced to do POST stuff on Audacity, which namer is far from unaccurate.

For 'PT/PT-Mpow" stuff, maybe it's still being kind of having a true (the contrary of "just to be bought, then enjoyed since the buyer doesn't even have to know aout Pro-Tools existence)

>>> Digidrsign released and to things so off-topic here, WTF Pro-Tools jas to be discussed in any way, sure you thought somewhat similar feeling while you wrote, "hell I'm speaking about "..." pointless here.

"DAW" dosn't mean competition beteween dDAWs : it's a whole thing with sub-types for specific tasks >>> just to be clear, even graduate until being "Music Production EXPERT", after such a harrrasing work to deserve that rirle, will only mean you're already less "workflow speaking" a musician than a "score pre/on stage/postprod musical 'Sound design is more accurate for me)...

If I was naiv I could even wait for jokers to just understand what "DAW" DOES but DOES NOT mean yoo.

Reason is a DAW, anuone here to dare the comparision sterile and impostor smelling crap, like "Reaso, vs. Pro-T or vs. Live ?

In fact, I allow myself a single LOL. Jokers everywhere ^^

[Mirthan]

I don't regret anything about changing to Live 9. It's absolutely amazing.

Only thing I would say though,is why don't I have that sweet default skin from 8 anymore? The one that everyone uses. I've seen people use it on Mac,but not on Windows,and that's my case..

P.s.:first time I'm on this forum,excited to expand my knowlegde with you guys!

[stringtapper]

I don't regret anything about changing to Live 9. It's absolutely amazing.

Only thing I would say though,is why don't I have that sweet default skin from 8 anymore? The one that everyone uses. I've seen people use it on Mac,but not on Windows,and that's my case..

P.s.:first time I'm on this forum,excited to expand my knowlegde with you guys!

Try the Monolake font in Live 9. It's closer to the classic Live skin.