Should Myrnova & McOck be banned?

[myrnova]

Forge, again... since you seem so "worried" about my "racism against americans" and such...

(1) do you think the U.S. is a democracy?
(2) do you think most of americans are not brainwashed?

Yes? No? Why?

Please, answer...

[Jack McOck]

"almost" because I'm not actually sure Funken is even human. He might be vulcan or something

To be a Vulcan, one must first be logical. Funken is well read, but his ability to string together random factoids is no substitute for the ability to comprehend any potential logical connections between them.

[Forge.]

I mean this (lame) attempt to play with words... i guess he thinks "I am smart", "I have a way with words" or smth...

myrnova, "words" is what we are all using

All I have been trying to point out for some time now is that if you took a bit more care with yours then you might not piss off every single english speaking human being you come into contact with

Let me guess, then...

(1) do you think the U.S. is a democracy?
(2) do you think most of americans are not brainwashed?

Yes, no? Why?

Please, answer...

yeah, well, again, this is kind of what I've been trying to tell you. I've had plenty to say about the depressing state of the lack of democracy, I'm actually thinking you've missed the vast bulk of the political discussions around here because by your own admission you only have 50-60% English. That's not your fault, but what is your fault is you then answer as though you have 100% English.

so to answer your questions simply:
1. No, I'm not sure I've ever had any real illusions about the US democracy, or the UK or Australian democracy since I have had been old enough to have any chance of understanding what any of this topic of "democracy" means. And apart from anything, the US isn't actually a democracy, it's a Republic.

2. Well, I don't know what "most" means here. If it means more than 50%, say 51% than, maybe 51% of Americans could be "brainwashed", but then I guess we also need to define "brainwashed".

But you said

...For me at least 80-90% of american people are brainwashed by war propaganda since they are 3-4 y.o. kids. ...

no, I'm sorry, I don't go along with the assertion that 80-90% of the entire 300 million population of the US is brainwashed by war propaganda since 3 or 4. I think you'd really struggle to find any stats supporting that hypothesis

[myrnova]

So you think the U.S. is kind of a criminal "republic", right?

You know the meaning of "res publica" at least?...

In this case, why american people don't do anything in order to avoid their crimes? Why they believe the 9/11 was a "huge tragedy", terrorism is for real and such bullshit? Why at least 90% of american people are so ignorant about the real situation outside U.S.?

Please, don't talk about Australia and UK, which counts for nothing. Even italians are brainwashed by Church and Berlusconi, but the U.S. drop bombs, not holy water and sperm on teenagers And not even koalas

[Forge.]

So you think the U.S. is kind of a criminal "republic", right?

You know the meaning of "res publica" at least?...

In this case, why american people don't do anything in order to avoid their crimes? Why they believe the 9/11 was a "huge tragedy", terrorism is for real and such bullshit? Why at least 90% of american people are so ignorant about the real situation outside U.S.?

Please, don't talk about Australia and UK, which counts for nothing. Even italians are brainwashed by Church and Berlusconi, but the U.S. drop bombs, not holy water and sperm on teenagers And not even koalas

Because I don't have any delusions that any of the power structures on Earth are any different.

So let's make this clear: Are you suggesting that we all hold American citizens more accountable than anyone else, then relax because we are all better?

[Forge.]

..Why at least 90% of american people are so ignorant about the real situation outside U.S.?
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have you got a link for this figure?

[myrnova]

Don't try to change the subject. My question is clear:

DO YOU THINK that the U.S. are a sort of "criminal" republic? Yes? No? Why?

If yes: why american people don't do anything in order to avoid this tragedy?

If no: what is it then? Something harmless and rather chaffy like "Australia", "Italy" etc.?...

[Forge.]

Don't try to change the subject. My question is clear:

DO YOU THINK that the U.S. are a sort of "criminal" republic? Yes? No? Why?

Sorry if I tried to change the subject mother.

well then, NO, I don't think "that the U.S. [is] a sort of "criminal" republic". I think there are a few big fucking problems with it, but trying to label an entire country a "criminal republic" is a bit like trying to stop someone from stealing by giving them a frontal labotomy.

What happens to you if Italy gets labelled a criminal republic?

And what are the characteristics of a "criminal republic"?

And what are their responsibilities and obligations?

[myrnova]

SO you think the Third Reich (nazi regime in Germany) WAS NOT to be called "a criminal country", right?
If YES, why? If NO, why?

What happens to me in Italy: yes, it is a criminal republic. Not WAR crimes, though. Even if Italy is one of the main weapons sellers, so in a way "yes", too. Kind of a shit, vomiting situation. Mafia, the Church, people brainwashed. But U.S. are far more dangerous, of course.

[Forge.]

SO you think the Third Reich (nazi regime in Germany) WAS NOT to be called "a criminal country", right?
If YES, why? If NO, why?

What happens to me in Italy: yes, it is a criminal republic. Not WAR crimes, though. Even if Italy is one of the main weapons sellers, so in a way "yes", too. Kind of a shit, vomiting situation. Mafia, the Church, people brainwashed. But U.S. are far more dangerous, of course.

I don't think I actually mentioned The Third Reich, although I may have mentioned the Nazis in response to something you might have said, but generally I respect Godwin's law on these matters.

So I think maybe we might have narrowed your argument down to a single question: "Is a citizen of a criminal republic responsible for all the crimes of the ruling classes of that republic?'

Actually, no, even that isn't a single question because it has a couple of extra questions attached to it:

1. Does the level of culpability for a citizen of a criminal republic vary according to the size and potency of that republic? and
2. If the answer to 1 is "yes" then does a citizen of the smaller and least potent criminal republic then have the right to say "nah nah nah nah nah, you're the biggest ass-hole" to the larger and more potent criminal republic?

[myrnova]

SO you think the Third Reich (nazi regime in Germany) WAS NOT to be called "a criminal country", right?
If YES, why? If NO, why?

What happens to me in Italy: yes, it is a criminal republic. Not WAR crimes, though. Even if Italy is one of the main weapons sellers, so in a way "yes", too. Kind of a shit, vomiting situation. Mafia, the Church, people brainwashed. But U.S. are far more dangerous, of course.

I don't think I actually mentioned The Third Reich, although I may have mentioned the Nazis in response to something you might have said, but generally I respect Godwin's law on these matters.

So I think maybe we might have narrowed your argument down to a single question: "Is a citizen of a criminal republic responsible for all the crimes of the ruling classes of that republic?'

Actually, no, even that isn't a single question because it has a couple of extra questions attached to it:

1. Does the level of culpability for a citizen of a criminal republic vary according to the size and potency of that republic? and
2. If the answer to 1 is "yes" then does a citizen of the smaller and least potent criminal republic then have the right to say "nah nah nah nah nah, you're the biggest ass-hole" to the larger and more potent criminal republic?

Infact it's you calling them "guilty". I never talked about "guilt" or such religious bullshit. I talk about "brainwashed citizens". Very different concept.
And you did not answer my question:

DO YOU THINK even the NAZI REGIME was not to be called "a criminal country"? Yes, No?

[Forge.]

Infact it's you calling them "guilty". I never talked about "guilt" or such religious bullshit. I talk about "brainwashed citizens". Very different concept.

If yes: why american people don't do anything in order to avoid this tragedy?
:

no, you didn't use the word "guilt", but then neither did I.

And you did not answer my question:

DO YOU THINK even the NAZI REGIME was not to be called "a criminal country"? Yes, No?

So wait, are you now saying all the Germans should be feeling this "guilt" as well because of the Nazis 70 years ago?

And you got so upset when I posted pictures of Mussolini

How does this work myrnova? we need a little guidance here. Who is it that's supposed to be feeling bad or morally inferior? I thought it was the Americans?

[myrnova]

Then why the fuck are you claiming I am "offending" american people because I think they are brainwashed??!

Do you read what you write or just put words randomly?!

[Forge.]

Then why the fuck are you claiming I am "offending" american people because I think they are brainwashed??!

Do you read what you write or just put words randomly?!

Don't try to change the subject. My question is clear:
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Ok then, so can we please just clarify this one:

...For me at least 80-90% of american people are brainwashed by war propaganda since they are 3-4 y.o. kids. ...

this is an impressive claim. I would love to hear you support it.

I'm not going to go back and copy/paste, but you actually sounded quite surprised when Nathann told you about those patriotic songs in school - except that for months before you went on and on about brainwashed dumb yankees being like the hitler youth..... you wouldn't have been just saying that based on stuff you heard on TV or something before you actually ever spoke to any real Americans about it would you myrnova? Because that sounds pretty lazy, even immoral, or even kinda racist to me.

A bit like people who say "they all come over here taking our jobs, but none of them speak the language" when none of them have even met an immigrant.

[Forge.]

...For me at least 80-90% of american people are brainwashed by war propaganda since they are 3-4 y.o. kids. ...

also - you are giving away quite a bit here "for me" means, "I'll just say whatever I think regardless of whether it's true or not"

It reminds me of Bill Bailey saying "Speaking as a mother" is a euphemism for "talking out of my arse"