God-Damn NI!

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:19 pm

It just gets old............

It's like, for the most part, the shit works or doesn't........maudio has a long history of NOT working......NI has a long history of either working OR NOT.....but poor customer service.

Funny, almost every version of live I've had.......including the beta's work pretty well!

It's also interesting, to me anyway, that so many companies (and they are not all music) have had little or no trouble with this UB thing. As a matter of fact, I either do or have beta tested for many of the products you know and love for UB (and other) and they seem to work fine............

Vinc T · Post by **Vinc T** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:25 pm

Ready for Download: The Massive and FM8 Demo Versions

let's check it out

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Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:31 pm

eyeknow wrote:sigh...........

I wish I knew why there are such dramatic differences between those who support NI and those who are upset.......

Here's my question for the supports. How many times do you draw a line in the sand, and have someone cross it, before you've had enough? Please PLEASE don't just attack with a statement........at least try and understand what us "pissed" people are getting at........

OK, I don't hold NI up as a great company. I think bOunce nailed it when he talked about the interview in SOS where NI are divided between sales and development. NI are large enough to where sales has outweighed marketing as far as product release goes. In many ways the fact that UB hasn't come out across the line is a sign that development are winning a little. Sales people don't generally give a shit about stability etc. it's all about cash.

I have been using software for over ten years now. Almost every plug in developer goes through a phase of being buggy. Almost all of them won't let you know a dammed thing about subjects such as UB update times etc. This is PSP's statement for example,

posted March 14, 2006 22:26
Dear Mac users,

Currently, our plug-ins are available in AudioUnit/VST/RTAS formats for PowerPC (G4/G5) Mac OS X . The Intel Mac OS X version is still in development. We are currently working on porting our plug-ins to the Intel Mac platform but unfortunately, it is a complicated process for small developers with cross-platform applications. It is too early for us to be able to offer you an exact time frame when we will deliver Universal Binary versions of our plug-ins but we can promise that in the case of these two plug-ins, PSP Neon (including Neon HR) and PSP MasterComp the crossgrade to the Intel Mac versions will be free. We will also offer free crossgrade options for all products purchased after 14th March 2006. In other cases we will most likely offer the crossgrade for a very small fee.

Warm regards from frozen Poland
Antoni Ozynski

Not a singel clue as to when it might possibly be released. Ni at least have Absynth, Battery, and FM8 out, a regrettably ever changing time line, and plenty of clue that it's possible it comes out before June of next year!

So while I'm not happy that Reactor isn't UB, I realize that I personally prefer a flawed release schedule to ZERO information.

I would say I will join you guys in hating on NI if Reactor isn't out by June of next year, and I definitely will be pissed if it isn't out by January. I just tend to think that it's got to be brutally difficult to code something like Reactor for 4+ plug in types, two platforms, and a thousand different machines.
The Kore thing, that pissed me off.... http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... hp?t=35216
It's case by case, I'm not that upset about the UB thing, I rest it more on my own head for buying a computer that isn't supported by all my software yet. With Kore, to me that thing is a PITA, and not worth the hassle.

ewistrand · Post by **ewistrand** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:48 pm

eyeknow wrote:Am I wrong or is ableton and NI from the same country? How many times have I put down ableton? how bout NEVER! Ableton is one of THE MOST stand up/responsible companies out there! That's why I post here so much, ........the abes and those of us who just LOVE this software are like PUTTY........this is the best forum and the best overall software out there! That is why people complain so much about "other" companies........we are like "hey, our money matters, we are not so stupid we expect everything to be perfect, but there is a difference between good and ripoff".......

They listen to us........abe's bust their BALLS to help us.........even though some people are too harsh.

They also have the balls to put out PAID updates yearly. I've been a Live user since Live 1 came out, and I'm still on 4.1.4 (even though I'm tempted to upgrade to 6). Why? Because I don't see any reason why a company should charge their loyal customers a yearly fee to stay in the loop and upgrade. It's why I'm four versions behind in Sonar too- to be honest, Cakewalk's MUCH worse in this regard than Ableton, just because the upgrades are more expensive.

While I admire Ableton (hey, I use Live, after all), if any other company had their upgrade policy you'd be on THEIR forums screaming for their heads...

ew

BinaryB · Post by **BinaryB** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:45 pm

ewistrand wrote:While I admire Ableton (hey, I use Live, after all), if any other company had their upgrade policy you'd be on THEIR forums screaming for their heads...

ew

EW = Ewistrand (moderator for N.I. KORE forum)

And you claim you dont get paid...
can you explain what benefits you gain from this role ?

and

NI SHIT DONT WORK PROPERLY.

NI should admit it and apologise or DONT TAKE MY MONEY.

please read this

THIS THREAD shows the FUNDAMENTAL problem with N.I.

then this makes more sense

KORE UPDATES SOON THREAD

I had some respect for your opinion untill you
tried to COMPARE ABLETON TO NI...

ewistrand · Post by **ewistrand** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:10 am

BinaryB wrote:
ewistrand wrote:While I admire Ableton (hey, I use Live, after all), if any other company had their upgrade policy you'd be on THEIR forums screaming for their heads...

ew
EW = Ewistrand (moderator for N.I. KORE forum)

Correct- I've never hid that. However, you forgot the Absynth, Audio Kontrol 1 and Massive forums. I also moderate those.

And you claim you dont get paid...
can you explain what benefits you gain from this role ?

Does everything have to be for your benefit? I come from a family who have a tradition of teaching; both my sisters are teachers, one of my aunts was, one of my grandmothers was and two of my cousins are. I enjoy helping people- you have an issue with that?

Yeah, there ARE some benefits; I usually get asked to join the beta teams for new products, and I have contacts in the company who I can contact if I have a question.

and

NI SHIT DONT WORK PROPERLY.

NI should admit it and apologise or DONT TAKE MY MONEY.

please read this

THIS THREAD shows the FUNDAMENTAL problem with N.I.

then this makes more sense

KORE UPDATES SOON THREAD

I had some respect for your opinion untill you
tried to COMPARE ABLETON TO NI...

I never made that comparison. I just stated a fact- Ableton has had paid yearly upgrades for the five (soon to be six) years I've been using it. If it were any other company, you'd be frothing at the mouth just like you are now over NI.

Get some perspective, and DON'T put words in my mouth.

ew

BinaryB · Post by **BinaryB** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:29 am

ewistrand wrote:
BinaryB wrote: NI SHIT DONT WORK PROPERLY.

NI should admit it and apologise or DONT TAKE MY MONEY.

please read this

THIS THREAD shows the FUNDAMENTAL problem with N.I.

then this makes more sense

KORE UPDATES SOON THREAD

I had some respect for your opinion untill you
tried to COMPARE ABLETON TO NI...

I never made that comparison. I just stated a fact- Ableton has had paid yearly upgrades for the five (soon to be six) years I've been using it. If it were any other company, you'd be frothing at the mouth just like you are now over NI.

Get some perspective, and DON'T put words in my mouth.

ew

You are putting froth in my mouth so please dont cry about how stupid you sound.

ewistrand wrote: If it were any other company, you'd be frothing at the mouth just like you are now over NI.

Your words , Your mouth.

If you showed some respect,
You would get some.

Dont be a PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE BULLY ew.

You treated me badly on your forum so
DONT TRY THAT SHIT HERE.

BinaryB · Post by **BinaryB** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:45 am

ewistrand wrote:
Get some perspective, and DON'T put words in my mouth.

ew

I think we BOTH need to get some perspective...

THIS WAS MY POST

BinaryB wrote:with universal binary,

it appears that apple are getting away with some magic.

The DSP Quattro guy explains his take on the UB problems here

Then The Knights that cry NI came along AGAIN.

SO... BITCHES.

please read this

THIS THREAD shows the FUNDAMENTAL problem with N.I.

then this makes more sense

KORE UPDATES SOON THREAD

This is a much more acurate perspective than your incestuous distortions.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:54 am

marksf wrote:Just jumping in here as another former NI user (Traktor/Final Scratch 2) who will never buy anything from that company again.

The basic issue for me is honesty. They're not. And they only "communicate" when they think it's in their best interest. The "Stockholm Syndrome" users on their boards only add frustration. Never again.

Word.

I own Traktor. It was my first, and last NI purchase. Simple as that for me.

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:35 am

I agree with this topic. NI are a joke...like their reputation
They don't give a shi* about their customers, their support stinks like shi* too. You try to report obvious bugs (aka advertised features) that don't work (Which should be found by the thick fuc*s during beta testing before a product is sold), their support says yes we'll forward this to the tech support (2 months/10 emails later when you actually get a reply...funny ha ha), and four updates later the bugs still not fixed.
Fuc* them, I hope they go into liquidation. I'm gonna buy Max/Msp and NI can sit on a joystick and swivel.
I'll never buy another thing from them again, there are plenty of companies/developers who have products as good as theirs (or far better cause they actually work) with better support and RESPECT for their customers (aka Customer support). Lets just say goodbye and be done with it...
NI could you piss off and die please (Liquidation is callin' so sukadikupandhicup), you've been told before to sort it out, you haven't and now I hope you're gonna go down for it...Time will tell.

tricil · Post by **tricil** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:43 am

kineticUk wrote:I'm gonna buy Max/Msp and NI can sit on a joystick and swivel.

best. line ever.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:08 am

tricil wrote:
kineticUk wrote:I'm gonna buy Max/Msp and NI can sit on a joystick and swivel.
best. line ever.

Max/MSP uses PACE, and iLock, go for it, but I personally hate that shit more than NI being sloppy.

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:20 am

Machinesworking wrote:Max/MSP uses PACE, and iLock, go for it, but I personally hate that shit more than NI being sloppy.

Right I hate ilok too (Who doesn't?)...whats the problem though ? I know plenty of people who have none, which is not the case with fuc* brains (NI). NI ain't sloppy, they are runny like the shi*e produced by their fuc* brain program testers (UB isn't my problem, its NI in general)
I'm interested Machinesworking, whats PACE's problem ?

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:39 am

I ordered maxmsp from turnkey, its the packaged job - so maybe I'll get the iLok usb key with it ?...at any rate, I ordered a usb hub too.

if I get the product I paid for (and it looks like I will) - I'm not so bothered about copy protection. these software developers that take cash first, then expect the paying customers to beta test and bug report ad nauseum are the real villains. Its a shitty business model and people shouldnt accept it without causing a fuss.

Plus I'm running a mac, seems the people with the pace problems are running XP.
you're strange machinesworking, you're an NI apologist and a cycling74 critic....maybe you just like to argue ?

BinaryB · Post by **BinaryB** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:22 am

not much left to say in defence of N.I. is there