Anybody else NOT excitedly anticipating Live 8?

[djhallifax]

Not true, you can split audio right?

So you're saying that splitting the audio then creates the same problem? 2 tracks instead of one? No Ableton just references the source audio and keeps track of where the split was made in the project file.

Every DAW has a fade folder so it basically references the original file and keeps a fade image or reference in that folder; or it generates just a new clip for only the fad,e and keeps all fade edits in the "fade" folder.

For re-mixing or re-working old tunes where you only have the audio it is a lifesaver, right now in Live I have to duplicate the track, then if there are plugins, I have to also now take up extra cup for that duplicated track with plugins, draw in the fade in on 1 track, and the fade out on the other. Way more trouble than it's worth.

This was totally necessary on the last project I did and would have made the session view a lot easier to decipher at mixdown.

I realize Live generates a tiny crossfade for you, that's why audio doesn't click when you overlap them, But it makes sense to be able to have control over the fade time.

It is not that it's just a standard, it's really handy... and saves a lot of time and cpu when needed. I'm sure others would use this feature a lot!

[mkelly]

Edit: Misread what you said. OK, possibly. Didn't realise that's what happened. Sounds very heavy on the file sizes though. And destructive editing isn't exactly Ableton's thing.

I didn't think it was destructive - sure, when you adjust the position of the regions it will create new fade files, but the original audio files behind the regions should remain untouched.

[djhallifax]

Sorry to keep posting

I used to use Sonar religiously and this is probably the one thing I miss about it. Logic's fade handling isn't very smart either, the destructive aspect is definitely a piss poor idea, it is nice to have access to it though whe needed. The smart thing about Sonar, Cubase and Protools is that the fade isn't destructive, it is either referenced with some kind of image file (I belive) or the fades are thrown into a new folder and the original file is unharmed, usually the fade folder is less than a few megs unless you're doing tons of fades on everything, normally it's just a few megs...

The smart thing about those programs though is that, that is exactly why they keep "per project" folders, so you can manage those things like fades easily, that would be alot to keep track of if you had a global fade folder and you had tons of projects on your drive ...

[andydes]

Not true, you can split audio right?

So you're saying that splitting the audio then creates the same problem? 2 tracks instead of one? No Ableton just references the source audio and keeps track of where the split was made in the project file.

Every DAW has a fade folder so it basically references the original file and keeps a fade image or reference in that folder; or it generates just a new clip for only the fad,e and keeps all fade edits in the "fade" folder.

For re-mixing or re-working old tunes where you only have the audio it is a lifesaver, right now in Live I have to duplicate the track, then if there are plugins, I have to also now take up extra cup for that duplicated track with plugins, draw in the fade in on 1 track, and the fade out on the other. Way more trouble than it's worth.

This was totally necessary on the last project I did and would have made the session view a lot easier to decipher at mixdown.

I realize Live generates a tiny crossfade for you, that's why audio doesn't click when you overlap them, But it makes sense to be able to have control over the fade time.

It is not that it's just a standard, it's really handy... and saves a lot of time and cpu when needed. I'm sure others would use this feature a lot!

But even when you split audio, each track still plays back one file at a time. True, a new file could be created for the fades. Alll I'm saying is that it might not be as easy to add as people often make out. I could be wrong.

[djhallifax]

But even when you split audio, each track still plays back one file at a time. True, a new file could be created for the fades. Alll I'm saying is that it might not be as easy to add as people often make out. I could be wrong.

Probably not easy for them to program, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't ask for it

Things I do love though and think that Live excels on are the touch automation (touch a parameter and you can immediately adjust it ... lifesaver!) and the record your linear arrangement from the pattern wondow, these two things definitely have switched me to using it over Logic 9 out of 10 times . They have me so cracked out on Live that when I get my return I'm going to buy it with my student discount, right now I'm only using it at school and I'm finding I can't work very well without it at home

[chrisedmo]

uuuurrrgh this is killing me!!! Im anticipating Live 8 now.. well Max for live really... but yeah, im waiting...

[magnax]

If Live 8 handles pickup notes properly, it will be worth upgrading for that reason alone..

What's pickup notes?

/m