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jamos wrote:
At the beginning of this 2 hour lecture on mastering there are some really good comparisons, also remember what Bob Katz said 'the perfect mix doesnt need any mastering at all ! '

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/vide ... _my_friend

hmm, that's a bit lame - the "mastered" versions are played louder, so you can't compare really. And anyways - most of the mastering magic should be lost on a compressed video.

"John’s work is a mysterious process that few musicians truly understand." -

pepezabala wrote:

jamos wrote:
At the beginning of this 2 hour lecture on mastering there are some really good comparisons, also remember what Bob Katz said 'the perfect mix doesnt need any mastering at all ! '

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/vide ... _my_friend

hmm, that's a bit lame - the "mastered" versions are played louder, so you can't compare really.

he? one of the attempts in mastering is to make things a little louder / fatter and sparkle sparkle... shinier, that the volume enhancement is our days utterly overdone and killing the sound more than it enhances it, is another story and well... sucks.

ah, it starts to get tiring, sentences like that, just show how a general none understanding of mastering is out there...

maybe the name is irritating, mastering, like it would mean something like 'the master of everything' or so... rubbish
it's just a process in the recording chain for sound enhancement that includes the overall volume (NOT overdone! like by todays sick standards!!) not more,
and yet it can make a great difference to a well recorded, produced and mixed track.

it's not there to 'master' mistakes in the recording / production chain.

Pepezabala is right here:

Sure, if you assume you have no volume control, the louder version sounds phatter.
But in every audio playback situation there is a volume or gain control which can be used to even out volume differences or adapt volume to taste, even on DJ mixer, (hard to believe, but it is the case).

And if you compensate for the loudness, by making use of a volume control, what is left over is how it sounds.

Robert

Robert Henke wrote:Pepezabala is right here:

Sure, if you assume you have no volume control, the louder version sounds phatter.
But in every audio playback situation there is a volume or gain control which can be used to even out volume differences or adapt volume to taste, even on DJ mixer, (hard to believe, but it is the case).

And if you compensate for the loudness, by making use of a volume control, what is left over is how it sounds.

Robert

i was not aware of that a channel on a mixer actually has a gain control to turn up or down, thanks for pointing that out, robert.
i always assumed that it is under punishment to even touch it.











@ robert: of course he is right that a louder tune seems / appears to the ear to sound better, still shows that there is not much general understanding of the topic,

otherwise he would turn the volume down using that BIG MAIN KNOB labeled volume on the stereo, when needed and listen.
and turning it up using that same BIG MAIN KNOB labeled volume, when needed and listen.


p.s. assuming to not have a volume control, did they ever made such a stereo not containing a volume knob? oh i missed something again... that is why probably not many people know how to use that volume knob (in mixing devices called gain, by the way), they are hardly built in. now i understand.
my apologies!

yeah, anyway. maybe we should all go home now and leave the forum to those in need. i am only here because i try to avoid doing actual work....

sometimes it just slips.

need to go back myself. being up for to long in f**king frankfurt aM working, and the damn drive on the autobahn in this weather....
i hate that... (not the work but this city)


oh well i am sorry folks.

was meant to be a joke, still with partly truth in it.