Ableton Forum

Jan Holm wrote:I am a skeptic - but in no way a right wing creationism moron fanatic.
In fact I'm political center and ahteist. I dont live in the US - but I know
those talk radio lunies mentioned and hate them as much as any normal
broad minded person would. My main reasons for being skeptic.

It is unfortunate that you do not apply some of that skepticism to the deniers, their agenda and their highly propagandist methods of clouding and obfuscating the issues.

Jan Holm wrote:1 - Anyone using any kind of scare tactics to get money, take my freedoms or
make me a sinner always rings my alarm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGGgncVq-4

I don't like that video either.

Jan Holm wrote:2 - 97% of scientist say global warming is true and caused by Co2.
31.000 have signed a rejection. I would like to see the list of those 97%

97% of peer reviewed studies. (which number in the thousands)... You know, the sort that are reviewed and the data verified so that crap science with an agenda cannot sneak past as valid. Some scientist in some field can have any opinion they want. Such lists are meaningless.

Jan Holm wrote:5 - Did Co2 emissions go down the last 10 years, no. Did the temps, Yes. I
have yet to see real evidence that human made Co2 causes global warming.

No, temperatures did not go down. The hottest years on record have all been recent and this decade is the hottest there has been. 2009 is on track to be 5th hottest maybe higher. This is in spite of the deepest solar minimum in a century.

"Human-caused global warming is so strong, however, that as NASA explained, it took a serious La Niña, plus unusually sustained low levels of solar irradiance, to make 2008 as cool as it was. Yet, notwithstanding the global warming deniers and the status quo media, 2008 wasn’t actually cool. Indeed, 2008 was almost 0.1°C warmer than the decade of the 1990s averaged as a whole."

The 2000's are the hottest decade on record. Averaging 0.2°C more than the 1990's. The 1990's averaged 0.14°C more than the 1980's. This indicates an acceleration in warming. NASA is predicting 2010 to be the hottest yet due to the development of the El Niño cycle we are just entering. The El Niño/La Niña cycle is the biggest short term influence on global temperature. Any 1 or 2 years can be up or down depending on that cycle, but the wider trend is accelerating higher temperatures.

deva wrote:

Jan Holm wrote:2 - 97% of scientist say global warming is true and caused by Co2.
31.000 have signed a rejection. I would like to see the list of those 97%

97% of peer reviewed studies. (which number in the thousands)... You know, the sort that are reviewed and the data verified so that crap science with an agenda cannot sneak past as valid. Some scientist in some field can have any opinion they want. Such lists are meaningless.

97% of statistics are made up on the spot... or was it 79%??

since we can't be sure lets just let them take turns 97 gets this week and 79 can have next week and then they can just continue to alternate after that.

deva wrote:

Jan Holm wrote:2 - 97% of scientist say global warming is true and caused by Co2.
31.000 have signed a rejection. I would like to see the list of those 97%

97% of peer reviewed studies. (which number in the thousands)... You know, the sort that are reviewed and the data verified so that crap science with an agenda cannot sneak past as valid. Some scientist in some field can have any opinion they want. Such lists are meaningless.

62.5% of statistics are made up on the spot...

How many of you dumb-fucks believe Copenhagen is part of this vast conspiracy.

In fact it is a myth.

And

as the song goes

where have all the dinosaurs gone ?

knotkranky wrote:How many of you dumb-fucks believe Copenhagen is part of this vast conspiracy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... mists.html

COPENHAGEN SUMMIT SO FAR:

1200 limos.
140 private planes.

lol.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenh ... edges.html

lolololololol.

1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.
1200 limos.
140 private planes.

lol

1200 limos.
"The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42."


lol

1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.1200 limos.140 private planes.

lol. Interesting layout changes.

Thank you Climate Experts @ Copenhagen. I hope at least some of you are getting laid.
1200 limos.140 private planes.

lol

WaveRider wrote:

knotkranky wrote:How many of you dumb-fucks believe Copenhagen is part of this vast conspiracy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... mists.html

Yes, a guy who studies polar bears has an opinion about a different field. The only value for him being there is to answer questions about polar bears, not climate science. He should not expect his expertise to be respected if he cannot respect the expertise of climate scientists. Duh...

This is just more conspiracy misdirection.

According to the organisers, the eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough.

lol

deva wrote:

WaveRider wrote:

knotkranky wrote:How many of you dumb-fucks believe Copenhagen is part of this vast conspiracy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... mists.html

Yes, a guy who studies polar bears has an opinion about a different field. The only value for him being there is to answer questions about polar bears, not climate science. He should not expect his expertise to be respected if he cannot respect the expertise of climate scientists. Duh...

This is just more conspiracy misdirection.

Wrong. He couldn't afford a limo. Poor bastard.