REASON 4 - Propellerheads finally announce!!

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:02 pm

headquest wrote:
hoffman2k wrote: How do i send the audio output of a synth i'm playing in Live to Reason, so i can add reason's audio effects?
Without using other software you would have to do the old fashioned thing of bouncing, then bringing the audio into Reason's samplers.

In this sense though you are obviously wanting to use Reason as the "mixer" application. Given how great the new Reason sequencer is, I would also like to see them enable Reason to be a Rewire host. This is a feature request that makes far more sense to me than the common ones others have dragged up

Even then though, I would still want Ableton to properly implement rewire slave features in Live, i.e. allow VST/AU hosting. The ball really is in Ableton's court to get that one fixed right

I belive there are other ways to bring audio into Reason though. Hammer allows for some audio input to Reason and is said to be a very good utility programme for Reason users (though I've not tried it).

thing is - for alot of us now by 2007 who already have lots of different things there might only be a couple of things we would want to use in reason
for me the only thing Reason offers that I cant get anywhere else are the filters on the maelstrom and from the sounds of it thor as well now

I used to like scream but I am really happy with Abes saturator so can take or leave it

so for people like me (and there must be loads of people with lots of different things with a host they are happy with) the only thing I would want to do is run tracks i have going in Live through those filters - and bouncing to audio then loading into a sampler and sequencing it in rreason is a ridiculous thing to haev to do

the big gripe here is - why keep this closed system when a couple of things could make it appeal to anyone

in fact if I could buy just maelstrom as a vst I would consider it

possibly thor if it's as great as people say

it just seems really strange they arent catering to more people in this way - and I said all of this when 3 was released

if I hadnt have sold it the upgrade would probably make total sense, but for me now there wouldnt be any reason to get it because i cant actually do the things I want to do easily

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:04 pm

Oh yeah and back to the "sampler" topic... when did sample players become samplers? This goes for almost all software "samplers" these days not just Reasons. Would be cool to have a sampler that runs in standalone mode and had some sample automation type features like "SampleRobot" and such.

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:45 am

3rdordertrauma wrote:Oh yeah and back to the "sampler" topic... when did sample players become samplers? This goes for almost all software "samplers" these days not just Reasons. Would be cool to have a sampler that runs in standalone mode and had some sample automation type features like "SampleRobot" and such.

dude i've been scratching my head on this since 1999. how the fuck can it be a sampler if it can't sample?!?! um, where's the fucking record button? so dumb. Live is more of a sampler than any of the soft samplers on the market, traditionally speaking.

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:38 am

thelocalhost wrote:
robtronik wrote:reason doesn't need to be "fixed" in any way.

Oh... jesus christ.

Come on. Anyone who has used Reason in standalone for any amount of time has had that "I wish I could just record some vocals, or Bass, external synth, ... just this little part right here"

Maybe the next version they'll put it in there.

You don't think the Sequencer in Reason 3.0 was a big piece of shit?

Again: Because you wished for something doesn't mean it's "broke".

You want it to do something else, fine - that's understandable. You know what? I want my car to fly as well so I can bypass traffic when I'm stuck in it, but it isn't a plane and it won't ever do that.

In any case, Reason will never record audio. I am the former Director of U.S. Markets for Propellerhead Software, so I know what I'm talking about. But don't take my word for it, just do a little research on every official comment provided by the Propellerheads and you will see that's its not in its cards.

The sequencer up to Reason 4.0 is obviously usable. Piece of shit? Hardly.

But 4.0 does a lot to improve a usable sequencer - if not make it perfect for what Reason currently does.

.02,

rob.

Summer2000 · Post by **Summer2000** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:54 am

Well I just want to say that with the addition of tempo and time signature changes, Reason 4 is finally a perfect tool for making music as far as I'm concerned.

I used to be one of the guys that used to bitch about Reason's lack of VST and audio recording capabilities...that is until I stumbled upon Ableton Live.

Now if I want to use VST instruments and fx and record audio as well, I fire up Live. Sometimes I'll use Reason by itself to complete a whole project. But I mostly use them together thru Rewire. And working with them together like that is truly a powerful combo for all my music needs. Now that we've got the news about Reason 4, I can only imagine how sweet it'll be to get the word on Live 7!

I say if you hate Reason that much for what you think it lacks, then why not ditch it and move on to another tool that does what you need?
If people can't understand by now after all these years that the Props have no intentions on implementing VST and audio recording in Reason, then I don't know what else to tell you.

Summer2000

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:01 am

tjwett wrote:
3rdordertrauma wrote:Oh yeah and back to the "sampler" topic... when did sample players become samplers? This goes for almost all software "samplers" these days not just Reasons. Would be cool to have a sampler that runs in standalone mode and had some sample automation type features like "SampleRobot" and such.
dude i've been scratching my head on this since 1999. how the fuck can it be a sampler if it can't sample?!?! um, where's the fucking record button? so dumb. Live is more of a sampler than any of the soft samplers on the market, traditionally speaking.

Exactly, well said! Especially the "where's the fucking record button?" part. I guess they are thinking... "ahh well the application that this plug runs in can record audio so why make the plug itself record?"; of course not in Reasons case which can't record audio at all... unless of course you go out and buy ANOTHER piece of software like Live, Logic, Cubase or whatever and spend ANOTHER 5-6-7 hundred bucks to just allow you to record audio. But then that means you have to run it in ReWire mode so that goes and negates the fact that Reason is light on CPU and never crashes. Lets be real folks... if you run Reason in a way that gives you all the tools say Live has, which means running it in rewire mode with some host, its actually twice as unstable and twice as hard on the CPU. NOW if Reason were sold as a AU/VST for $199 not $499 then I would consider buying it.

I'm all for a AU/VST version of Reason with out that whack-ass sequencer.

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:09 am

robtronik wrote: Again: Because you wished for something doesn't mean it's "broke".

You want it to do something else, fine - that's understandable. You know what? I want my car to fly as well so I can bypass traffic when I'm stuck in it, but it isn't a plane and it won't ever do that.

Easy on the poor analogy.

It's like having a car that can only make left hand turns, whilst every other car can turn right, or left.

As soon as you say Reason is a 'self contained production center', it should have all the rudimentary features of a 'typical' DAW (e.g., record audio and midi).

jamester · Post by **jamester** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:51 pm

As soon as you say Reason is a 'self contained production center', it should have all the rudimentary features of a 'typical' DAW (e.g., record audio and midi).

I disagree, Reason can call itself whatever it wants so long as the word DAW isn't used, since the "A" stands for "Audio".

"Self contained production center" does not imply audio recording capabilities, so what's the problem? The Props have every right to make Reason however they want, even if it frustrates a large chunk of their userbase. If people are really that disapointed, they should "vote with their wallets" and not upgrade, and write letters of disapointment to Props instead.

But that won't happen very much; instead the disapointed will begrudgingly update to v.4 anyways, and then bitch about it endlessly on the forums....

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:31 am

tjwett wrote:
3rdordertrauma wrote:Oh yeah and back to the "sampler" topic... when did sample players become samplers? This goes for almost all software "samplers" these days not just Reasons. Would be cool to have a sampler that runs in standalone mode and had some sample automation type features like "SampleRobot" and such.
dude i've been scratching my head on this since 1999. how the fuck can it be a sampler if it can't sample?!?! um, where's the fucking record button? so dumb. Live is more of a sampler than any of the soft samplers on the market, traditionally speaking.

spot on mate.

AOnline · Post by **AOnline** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:33 am

More importantly... I think music creation is all about having fun! Live and reason are the funnest!!! Easy to use, but great power beneath it... especially in rewire mode into live!

lesterdiamond · Post by **lesterdiamond** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:55 pm

good to see another sequencer, if it was another syth they were hoping to carry the weight

mooncaine · Post by **mooncaine** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:09 pm

3rdordertrauma wrote:Oh yeah and back to the "sampler" topic... when did sample players become samplers? This goes for almost all software "samplers" these days not just Reasons. Would be cool to have a sampler that runs in standalone mode and had some sample automation type features like "SampleRobot" and such.

Excellent point. Samplers sample. If it don't sample, it ain't no sampler. Good point.

I wish either Reason or Live would incorporate the features of Musolomo -- somebody should buy that guy's software patent, or whatever, and build that in. Amazing concept, that.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:32 pm

Minor point probably, but just to say...

... in the realm of software samplers they tend NOT to sample. Generally that is because they are hosted in an environment such as Live which records audio/samples, so the audio can be dragged into the sampler instrument. Reason of course is an exception in that sense.

Directwave is a software sampler that does sample, but I believe it's the exception to the rule