Ableton & Serato Announce...And it's FREE!

[Khazul]

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Yes, it's completely deactivated when the two programs aren't running. It's not a separate application. The communications protocol is similar to ReWire, but more flexible - you don't have to open/close the applications in a particular order, etc.


For those of you who have no interest in vinyl as a control surface, The Bridge is probably not going to be interesting to you. It's really aimed at people who DJ with control vinyl.

There's basically nothing new within Live itself; the visible aspects of The Bridge are entirely on the Serato side.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Best,

So -
Its a better rehash of rewire with some of the oddities sorted out (at last ) - audio into live, or just audio from live into serato?

Its not a tempo sync to live (or to serato)?, it just allows live to have its transport controlled by serato with clip launching - ie just like plugging live into a DJ mixer and working with CDs/Vinyl, but benefitting from serato 'digital vinyl' and a rather useful integrated clip launcher for those who want to run a set of a single laptop?

Im guessing if you want a tempo synced effect or loop in live to sync to a track being playing in serato, then you do it the old fashioned way - set Live's and nudge it (or beat match the audio to live whatever your current preferred approach is) - ie that is no concept of a master tempo and midi sync like tracktor has for example?

Clarification on the presense of absense of a master tempo clock would be good - I am guessing that as serato doesnt (or at least didnt last time I checked) have a master clock, then it still doesnt. If it doesnt, then I guess its still a case of nudgin Live, or having it run a click all the time to do the manual sync.

[2000down]

if your a dj that works several times a week and plays out of town gigs then serato is the choice.
it doesnt have the bells and whistles/effects/beat grid of traktor (which are awesome) but every club you go to has a sl1 or sl3 or a 57 (assuming your not spinning at dive bars or house parties). Im also involved in booking talent and Ive never once heard of a dj requiring a traktor box in their rider. Its always a serato box or a 57. Im def not bashing traktor, Ive used it and its fun and powerful (my only knock is that the Interface is a little cluttered IMO) but it seems like its mostly EDM guys are using traktor because they like extras and now theyre all bashing ableton because its not supporting it. We all knew ableton and serato joined forces a while ago so what were the traktor users expecting?

Why would ableton support its new partners biggest rival?
they have nothing vested in Native Instruments or Traktor.
Im not a business major but that would be kind of stupid.

-Isaac

[SubFunk]

but every club you go to has a sl1 or sl3 or a 57 (assuming your not spinning at dive bars or house parties)

interesting theory, is that really the case in the states?, because in europe it's clearly not! you always bring your own equipment, except the DJ mixer.

[d-track]

suspected a more accurate warping engine

[Green Lemon]

I can't figure out from any of the videos if its at least possible to use Ableton FX on the audio files being played in Serato?

I'm actually almost ready to jump on board with this but if I can't use Lives FX, well, that would be just silly wouldn't it?

[Khazul]

but every club you go to has a sl1 or sl3 or a 57 (assuming your not spinning at dive bars or house parties)

interesting theory, is that really the case in the states?, because in europe it's clearly not! you always bring your own equipment, except the DJ mixer.

Thats normally been my experience too with using software unless playing of Deck/CDJs at a club. Ive yet to find a club that actually has a software rig that is for general use (rather than belongs to one of the residents). OTOH I have often come across generic DJ software controllers in place - upto you to plug them into your laptop and use them if you want - not a problem with tracktor of course if you have a template for it

[Agent G]

I can't figure out from any of the videos if its at least possible to use Ableton FX on the audio files being played in Serato?

I'm actually almost ready to jump on board with this but if I can't use Lives FX, well, that would be just silly wouldn't it?

yeah I'd like to know the same ..but seems like its not going to work like that unless your running the decks threw audio card in ableton ...hope I'm wrong tho this would make a few less connections for my current setup....

[disco judas]

I can't figure out from any of the videos if its at least possible to use Ableton FX on the audio files being played in Serato?

I'm actually almost ready to jump on board with this but if I can't use Lives FX, well, that would be just silly wouldn't it?

yeah I'd like to know the same ..but seems like its not going to work like that unless your running the decks threw audio card in ableton ...hope I'm wrong tho this would make a few less connections for my current setup....

Yes you can!

This stuff is so incredible cool!! Proper vinyl djing with custom Max msp effects & loopers and miss pinky on a third deck. I never liked Traktor, this I LOVE!!

[nuxnamon]

but every club you go to has a sl1 or sl3 or a 57 (assuming your not spinning at dive bars or house parties)

interesting theory, is that really the case in the states?, because in europe it's clearly not! you always bring your own equipment, except the DJ mixer.

it's kinda (serato) become the club standard around here and every booth usually has serato set up in some way.. It's kinda like Technics, its everywhere..

[Green Lemon]

I can't figure out from any of the videos if its at least possible to use Ableton FX on the audio files being played in Serato?

I'm actually almost ready to jump on board with this but if I can't use Lives FX, well, that would be just silly wouldn't it?

yeah I'd like to know the same ..but seems like its not going to work like that unless your running the decks threw audio card in ableton ...hope I'm wrong tho this would make a few less connections for my current setup....

Yes you can!

This stuff is so incredible cool!! Proper vinyl djing with custom Max msp effects & loopers and miss pinky on a third deck. I never liked Traktor, this I LOVE!!

So what are basing your enthusiasm on? Because AFAIK, the whole Bridge thing includes no routing of Serato's audio through Live- which seems to mean that Live's effects are more or less useless for the music you're spinning in Serato. Which seems really crazy.

[102455]

the whole Bridge thing includes no routing of Serato's audio through Live- which seems to mean that Live's effects are more or less useless for the music you're spinning in Serato. Which seems really crazy.

Not really crazy if you think about it, because Serato software depends on the specific hardware being connected, so Scratch Live has to be the 'master' app in order to 'see' the hardware and 'unlock' itself.

If Ableton Live was the master I guess it wouldn't be possible for Scratch Live to do its hardware checks due to Ableton Live using the sound card.

That's probably the same reason why we haven't got Scratch Live or Itch as an Ableton plugin within Live, with little mini players
on the Live screen - which is what I was hoping for!

[disco judas]

Hey,

I base my enthusiasm on the serato guy on the video saying you can use Live effects on serato djing.
I never liked autotune, I want my slightly out of tune guitar pitch bend to be exactly that, and I want to manually beat match my music, which is dead simple and feels great.
And I want my custom max reverb/phaser-loopers on top of it

Cheers!

[William]

Hey,

I base my enthusiasm on the serato guy on the video saying you can use Live effects on serato djing.
I never liked autotune, I want my slightly out of tune guitar pitch bend to be exactly that, and I want to manually beat match my music, which is dead simple and feels great.
And I want my custom max reverb/phaser-loopers on top of it

Cheers!

Which vid is that? I thought I had seen them all and I don't think I heard anyone mention using Live's effects on tracks being played in Serato. I believe Live's effects can only be used on the Live track.

I'd love to be wrong though!

[TRS80]

I'd rather Ableton improve its browsing/file management to be more DJ friendly, then directly support some DJ MIDI controllers- or maybe have one made just for Live. I don't see Serato adding anything except using timecoded vinyl to manipulate digital files, which is not interesting to me.

[102455]

I have just read an interview with Pete Tong on WIRED.

He's quoted as saying "The only thing holding Ableton back is its interface."

That was in 2006!