All the little detail problems with Ableton Live Collection

[3phase]

All hickups i had with ableton live are programinternal bugs. software bugs and conceprional bugs ..

that are no hickups..

125

its allways funny how ableton tends to declare clear bugs as features the user can work around with the aid of the support stuff..

i actually would preffer if such known bugs would be anounced with the workaround and not brushed under the carpet and left to be found by the user experiancing "hickups" ... to get the workaround only on request..


this bug hiding politics was part of the L8 debacel that leaded to the so very late realisation of fatal bugs, and this should change..


please look at protools how they anounce theire known bugs in big letters before you ever come along them..

Thats an professional attitude to stand for your bugs and warn the users before they learn abot them the hard way..

So dont call them user bugs and keep that as a private thing between you and the user.. aiming for a bug free image this way..

Thats a dirty trick..its not the users bugs .. every bug in the program is a homemade ableton bug..

Stay to them and anounce known workarounds imideatly and not only after month. and only after request like with the fatal midi bug last year..

sending people on stage with known fatal bugs but keep quiete about it for the immage? oh oh... bad company...
And hasnt worked out anyway because it was to many bugs to be wiped under the carpet this way. Great userbase..forgets all this little crimes towards them imideatly. like in a real family..

So anounce your bugs in public when they got aprooved.... thats the best motivation to dont create so many..
And the best way to shw what issues are allready adressed..

You also safe a lot of support resources this way that can help otherwise or free money to hire better coders

[Tone Deft]

meanwhile I can get the metronomes to flange between Live and my MPC. this is unacceptable sync for 3phase. some people can only get it to trainwreck.

run with it 3phase, make Ableton live up to your standards, it benefits me.




125 Impulse is locked to the same 8 notes. this makes users put scale plug ins in front of Impulse, waste of resources and time.

126 is it time that Ableton let their plug ins escape from clip view and become more visible?

127 step edit mode - who remembers how to do this? hold down shift-ctrl with one hand, enter notes with the other. whatever it is, it's like a game of Twister, not handy, not well implemented.

128 did anyone mention Share yet?

129 put zoom on the main GUI FFS and make it midi assignable.

130 allow us to put groups within groups.

[Tone Deft]

..so the guy in the next studio came round and tried to help you but couldn't get anywhere with the problem?

nope. 3phase said he wouldn't be able to help him so don't bother showing up.

[3phase]

..so the guy in the next studio came round and tried to help you but couldn't get anywhere with the problem?

he dont came along because it was cleared by mail that he couldnt get anywhere.. the problem is the program itself..only the developers can change that.. only setup option would have been to just dnt use live... and therfore you dont need an ableton support guy coming along to set that up for you... we talked about the syncproblem and posible startegys to maybe solve it..

he couldnt promiss me that it will be solved but he sees the point and trys to keep the item on the agenda..but in the end only user demand can really keep it there..

However would be in abletons very own interst to bring the program in a state that justifies all this rectifiefd rainer campaigns..

its a bit crazy to aim to be a industry standard without being able to sync propperly and inferior timecode handling..

even when this is no shiny new fanboy sales argument its a pro sales argument that lasts much longer..
If Ableton would have a real sense for quality such issues would have been handld with priority and max and serato can wait...

and @ tonedeft

flanging is clearly not good enough in a wordclock synced setup.. there its just the same speed .. or just slight flangings at resyncpoints evry 32 bars or so.. but no constant wobbel.. that is not sync.. thats wobbeling around..

it should work like a dj that syncs 2 records..can our mighty computer that does realtime fft calculations do that?

of cause it can.. when one writes an aloryrhm that is worthy to be brought in the year 2010 or 2011.. no problem..

when one sticks to 1981 standard implemetations..ok..than it wobbles..

but is that really necessary? Native instrumets can do it... but they are the better company anyway...
Quality is more than just beeing as good as the bad ones.. quality is to do the best possible..especially in such important departments like timing precission..

[Digital_Damage]

yes, more bitching! You are such a punchline at this point. At least you are keeping all your useless crap to one thread. Thanks.

[3phase]

yes, more bitching! You are such a punchline at this point. At least you are keeping all your useless crap to one thread. Thanks.

sure.. call it bitching.. i just dont forget so quickly...

hiding crashbugs from the users of a stage software??? hello? anybody at home? wht attitude of a company does that proove?


and i tryed to keep the thread on topic..but the little hord of ablton orks dont allows that..

so good to memorize the chain of cause and effekt here.. i was an ableton fan too once..up to L3.. but that is how long ago now? and with L8 they really dropped it...

L9 will be defently a point of proove wether ableton has learned something from the past or not...

the latest actions with serato bridge, the rectified rainer taining camps and the "free" amp actually points rather in the staying as they are direction...

however the product is not responsible for its creators and still has a lot of potential

[djsynchro]

You still didn't answer the question: What do you LIKE about Ableton Live?

[Digital_Damage]

yes, more bitching! You are such a punchline at this point. At least you are keeping all your useless crap to one thread. Thanks.

sure.. call it bitching.. i just dont forget so quickly...

hiding crashbugs from the users of a stage software??? hello? anybody at home? wht attitude of a company does that proove?


and i tryed to keep the thread on topic..but the little hord of ablton orks dont allows that..

so good to memorize the chain of cause and effekt here.. i was an ableton fan too once..up to L3.. but that is how long ago now? and with L8 they really dropped it...

L9 will be defently a point of proove wether ableton has learned something from the past or not...

the latest actions with serato bridge, the rectified rainer taining camps and the "free" amp actually points rather in the staying as they are direction...

however the product is not responsible for its creators and still has a lot of potential

Without us you would be talking to only yourself

[3phase]

Without us you would be talking to only yourself

that would be way more fun..belive me...

[3phase]

131

value shifting on creation of enevelope points dependend on the zoomstage as described in this thread

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 6#p1221156

an old issue that could see some optimisation...

also very visible on the tempo automation.. try to go from a plain 125 to 123 there.. without zooming and hazzle no chance to get it precise..

[djsynchro]

We get it... you think there are a lot of things wrong with Live... but is there anything you like about Live?
Nobody is forcing you to use it, so what are the things about Live that make you a happy happy creative productive 3pahase?

[djsynchro]

Without us you would be talking to only yourself

that would be way more fun..belive me...

So why do you post on the forum?

[andydes]

Isn't this just a feature request thread for little bits and pieces that would help workflow? Shame it was started by 3phase really because a) everyone thinks he's just bitching and b) he does go on a bit.

Anyway, some of the suggestions are pretty good. I might have missed this if it's are already in:

132: Could use more obvious divisions in piano roll for whole beats and bars. Just a simple graphical update could make it much clearer.

I'd also prefer it if Ableton worked a bit more on this kind of thing and bit less on fancy new big features.

[Leon Tricker]

One of the 'problems' with Suite for me was the price...

... but with 25% off upgrading available for Christmas it looks like time for an early present to myself!

[djsynchro]

3phase is there anything at all that you like about Ableton Live?