PROMETHEUS

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by LoopStationZebra » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:36 pm

:lol:

Yeah, believe me. I was totally prepared to despise this movie and went into it with as low of expectations as possible.

I just don't get the criticisms other than people are just expecting Alien.

I mean, have any of those people seen that WRETCHED Danny Boyle Sunshing movie? omfg. This was an interstellar masterpiece compared to that flick.

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by simpleton » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:34 pm

I just came from seeing this movie in XD 3D and all I can say is it truly SUCKED!
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by beatmunga » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:06 am

simpleton wrote:I just came from seeing this movie in XD 3D and all I can say is it truly SUCKED!
You must be feeling a bit cheated then.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by Tarekith » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:14 am

I thought it was great, fun movie and lots of great tie ins with the others still. Didn't see it in 3d though, but doesn't really look like it would have added much anyway I guess.

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by beats me » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:17 am

I'm holding out until I can watch it on The New iPhone. :x

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by regretfullySaid » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:39 am

Yeah it should look pretty good on the new iphone with it being 3D and all :P
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by beatmunga » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:48 am

shadx312 wrote:Yeah it should look pretty good on the new iphone with it being 3D and all :P
Will they do a retro nostalgia Betamax release?

This was how I first saw the original - hired on Betamax. And I have been having genuine nightmares about it on a fairly regular basis ever since. The imagery of the nightmares never draws from any of the sequels.

Despite this, Alien is my favourite film ever. What does that tell me about me? Must be a fucking doormat.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by regretfullySaid » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:12 am

I wish.

What would be sweet is if they (iphones) had a tiny slot on the side for a mini disc (more an homage to Laserdisc, not minidisc), and blanks could only be bought and sold black market. It'd be an inch in diameter.
I think part of the fun the future is missing out on is having discs to swap around. Not lame ass sd cards, but discs, or rings even (like in the original Time Machine?). I first saw Apocalypse Now on laserdisc:)

Nothing against tape, but it's the crude edged 3d dimensionality of the object that's kind of lame from a retro-futurist standpoint (at least videotape). If discs had the bias/saturation/compression etc etc of tape that would be the Scruffy's Nutsack.

Betamax already became the native americans of the home video format by the time I was conscious of the whole deal. I have no doubt there is some tight-knit club of betamax die-hards that have become like a second family to each other, and there's the betamax porn king on the side no one mentions unless they need a fix...

Anyway, what would be really awesome is if a sequel to a classic that came out decades later actually became a classic in it's own right, but that would take a miracle. The guys just aren't in the same place anymore, which makes me wonder about John Carpenter's latest work. I might have to check out The Ward just to see how he's aged.

With the Cameron bashing (assuming you give some cred to Alien and T2 (hell, throw Abyss in there), for someone who tries to cater to everyone I think he does a good job of balancing things out.
that was Avatar as well...where you've got such pedestrian stereotypical caricatures that were nothing short of insulting. Were the characters and their motivations slightly muddled and unexplained in Prometheus? Perhaps. But I'll take that over force fed Cameron eco-friendly space movie horseshit any day of the week.
That I agree, but they were supposed to be pedestrian...
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by regretfullySaid » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:35 am

Seems like Prometheus is getting lots of love from people after hearing so much bad press and having low expectations so that's cool.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by Tarekith » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:52 am

SPOILERS


I don't know, I think people just expect too much from every movie these days, they can't just go and have a good time. Everything with David in it was awesome, really the movie seemed to be more about him than anything. I liked the captain a lot, and even Theron had some depth to her. The only one I didn't get was the bad ass stoner geologist, his character was all over the place for the short time he was in the film. Shame too, since I was really wanted to see what he could do after watching him in Borgias. I would have rather just seen an old man play Weyland too, Pierce was ok, but he still looked like he had make up on.

I keep reading critic reviews where they talk about how the movie asks big questions, but doesn't answer them. I don't get it. It's no different than any of the other Alien movies in that they just don't micro explain everything. In fact I thought they did a great job explaining everything, tieing it in with the other movies, and making it end on a decent note. Even the religious stuff didn;t really bother me that much. Sure, it seemed a little weak and no fleshed out much, but it was a pretty minor point to the story overall I thought.

The running after surgery thing was a LITTLE unbelieveable, but she looked like she was in pain a lot, and it was that or die flat out, so who knows what people can do. Personally, I just can't wait to see how they tie the black goo in with X-Files myself. :)

I'll be seeing this one in the theater again I think, it was enjoyable enough and visual enough that a trip back to the big screen will be worthwhile.

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by Machinesworking » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:18 am

BIG SPOILERS AHEAD! DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE!

I liked it. The first half was slow, and the acting wasn't that great, but the script was worse.
The actual plot though was really pretty cool. Great ideas, bad script sums it up.

The girls were great, and really? It's the future, nobody knows what kind of shit she was shooting into herself after the operation so a little suspension of disbelief is in order OK? BESIDES SHE GAVE HERSELF AN ABORTION! That, was so completely and utterly awesome! by far my favorite part of the movie. :mrgreen:
Like others have pointed out she wasn't 100% cured in that she seemed to have spasms of pain while running.

I think the thing that makes the first Alien movie so great is the perfect casting, every person on board the ship acts like a real human, the captain is slightly annoyed at trying to get people organized, the engineers feel like everyone else is a goose stepping company dweeb and couldn't care less, Ripely has hardcore protestant work ethic etc. This one misses the mark in that respect, everyone is a cookie cutter stereotype of that, to the point of zero character building....

That said the underlying themes of meeting your maker and getting some sort of answer were all pretty cool, and it would be great to see a sequel to this where she gets to the homeworld of the aliens/human prototype people. The special FX were great, and the whole thing was way better than any sci fi movie I've seen in years!

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by Tarekith » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:08 am

I think this is the first time you and I have ever agreed on a movie :)

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by pulsoc » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:18 am

Just saw it 2D. Not bad, certainly better than the cringeworthy Avatar (it's an odd marriage between Scott and Cameron, Alien/Aliens and Prometheus/Avatar), but similar visual style. The body-horror is pretty good throughout, although like all things CG doesn't quite feel gross enough.

It's tough to compare with Alien because that was done 30 years ago when the future looked like DOS. Now it looks like iPads. No way to square those two visuals.

Anyone notice the continuity error with the space jockey at the end?

I recommend seeing it. I may go back to see it again in 3D even though I hate 3D.

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by Pitch Black » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:26 am

SPOILERS

I loved it. Especially the 3D vistas. Best digital cinematography EVAH!!


Yet, I TOTALLY agree with the below: (thankyou, wisdom of the Internet!)


1. Why does and android learn foreign languages by watching tapes? Surely a microchip would do the job? Isn't this just a bad writer's way of setting up his lingual skills???

2. How can David read dreams? And why doesn't Noomi dream subjectively? Isn't this just a bad writer's way of inserting a flashback???

3. Why is Guy Pearce buried under the worst old-man make-up in recent memory? Why isn't Christopher Plummer playing this role?

??4. Is Vickers really a robot? If she is, why isn't she up with David while the others sleep? If not, why does the captain ask her? Isn't that just an eleventh hour attempt by the writers to invest her character with a little intrigue???

5. How is that the Prometheus skims over the alien planet and almost immediately comes across the Engineers' temples???

6. Why would the Engineers "invite" humans to their weapons base, as opposed to their home planet?
??
7. What are those holographic recordings that come alive in the temple? Aren't they just a bad writer's excuse for setting up the next scene???

8. Why does Noomi's boyfriend suddenly turn into a reckless asshole and remove his helmet in the temple, despite all the inherent dangers?

??9. How do the two guys who decide to leave get so easily lost in the temple, when back on the Prometheus there's a hologram of the full temple showing everyone's position? And everyone else gets out so easily???

10. Why do none of the scientists act like scientists? Why does a geologist act like a douche? Why does a biologist approach a potentially dangerous alien creature like it's a fluffy lamb?
??
11. How can the Engineer's decapitated head be still alive after thousands of years? And why does it explode?
??
12. Why does Holloway, when he wants to die, insist on getting torched by Vickers? Why doesn't he just remove his helmet (which he's already proved so good at)? ??

13. Why does David toss some of the growth goo in Noomi's boyfriend's drink? To see what happens? If so, why does he then basically tell Noomi that's she's got a monster inside of her (while being at pains to conceal the medical imaging from her)? Isn't that just a bad writer's way of imparting knowledge to one of the characters???

14. Why does Noomi remove the squid fetus and then not kill it? Surely not because it just needs to be around at the ending? And how does it grow fifty times its size without any sustenance (an old ALIEN plothole, admittedly)???

15. How can a woman who's just performed a major operation on herself recover so absurdly quickly???

16. Why do Weyland and co just let her tag along on their jaunt to the temple? For that matter, why make the jaunt to the temple when it's such a manifestly dangerous place? Why not send David down there to negotiate with the Engineers???

17. How come there's an Engineer still alive? And why does this massively advance lifeforce, when he does come back to life, only start storming around Frankenstein's monster?
??
18. How does the captain suddenly and inexplicably come up with an explanation for the purpose of the planet? And where does his sudden kamikaze altruism come from, except from bad writing???

19. Why does Vickers exit the ship separately from her lifeboat-suite? Surely not so she can be quickly killed off while the squid survives? And why does she run into the path of the falling ship?
??
20. How does David know everything that's going on, even though he's lying decapitated in the temple???

21. How does the Engineer survive the crash? And when he does, why is his first action not to get into another of the ships, but to thunder in after Noomi like Jason from FRIDAY THE 13th???

22. Why, after everything she's been through, does Noomi decide not to head back to Earth -- to warn them -- but to go off to the (presumably hostile) planet of the Engineers? Surviving on what, exactly?


But still, I loved it.


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Re: PROMETHEUS

Post by pulsoc » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:56 am

Here goes!

1. Iterative processing (I just made that up)
2. http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-r ... n-activity
3. This is shameful
4. huh...
5. It's a movie shortcut
6. The "invitation" is a sort of failsafe - if a species evolves to the point of space travel they are a threat - send them to trigger the attack on their own planet.
7. Probably
8. He's an anthropologist - classic self-absorbed a-hole.
9. writers shortcut?
10. ^
11. I can't go on.

Pitch Black wrote:SPOILERS

I loved it. Especially the 3D vistas. Best digital cinematography EVAH!!


Yet, I TOTALLY agree with the below: (thankyou, wisdom of the Internet!)


1. Why does and android learn foreign languages by watching tapes? Surely a microchip would do the job? Isn't this just a bad writer's way of setting up his lingual skills???

2. How can David read dreams? And why doesn't Noomi dream subjectively? Isn't this just a bad writer's way of inserting a flashback???

3. Why is Guy Pearce buried under the worst old-man make-up in recent memory? Why isn't Christopher Plummer playing this role?

??4. Is Vickers really a robot? If she is, why isn't she up with David while the others sleep? If not, why does the captain ask her? Isn't that just an eleventh hour attempt by the writers to invest her character with a little intrigue???

5. How is that the Prometheus skims over the alien planet and almost immediately comes across the Engineers' temples???

6. Why would the Engineers "invite" humans to their weapons base, as opposed to their home planet?
??
7. What are those holographic recordings that come alive in the temple? Aren't they just a bad writer's excuse for setting up the next scene???

8. Why does Noomi's boyfriend suddenly turn into a reckless asshole and remove his helmet in the temple, despite all the inherent dangers?

??9. How do the two guys who decide to leave get so easily lost in the temple, when back on the Prometheus there's a hologram of the full temple showing everyone's position? And everyone else gets out so easily???

10. Why do none of the scientists act like scientists? Why does a geologist act like a douche? Why does a biologist approach a potentially dangerous alien creature like it's a fluffy lamb?
??
11. How can the Engineer's decapitated head be still alive after thousands of years? And why does it explode?
??
12. Why does Holloway, when he wants to die, insist on getting torched by Vickers? Why doesn't he just remove his helmet (which he's already proved so good at)? ??

13. Why does David toss some of the growth goo in Noomi's boyfriend's drink? To see what happens? If so, why does he then basically tell Noomi that's she's got a monster inside of her (while being at pains to conceal the medical imaging from her)? Isn't that just a bad writer's way of imparting knowledge to one of the characters???

14. Why does Noomi remove the squid fetus and then not kill it? Surely not because it just needs to be around at the ending? And how does it grow fifty times its size without any sustenance (an old ALIEN plothole, admittedly)???

15. How can a woman who's just performed a major operation on herself recover so absurdly quickly???

16. Why do Weyland and co just let her tag along on their jaunt to the temple? For that matter, why make the jaunt to the temple when it's such a manifestly dangerous place? Why not send David down there to negotiate with the Engineers???

17. How come there's an Engineer still alive? And why does this massively advance lifeforce, when he does come back to life, only start storming around Frankenstein's monster?
??
18. How does the captain suddenly and inexplicably come up with an explanation for the purpose of the planet? And where does his sudden kamikaze altruism come from, except from bad writing???

19. Why does Vickers exit the ship separately from her lifeboat-suite? Surely not so she can be quickly killed off while the squid survives? And why does she run into the path of the falling ship?
??
20. How does David know everything that's going on, even though he's lying decapitated in the temple???

21. How does the Engineer survive the crash? And when he does, why is his first action not to get into another of the ships, but to thunder in after Noomi like Jason from FRIDAY THE 13th???

22. Why, after everything she's been through, does Noomi decide not to head back to Earth -- to warn them -- but to go off to the (presumably hostile) planet of the Engineers? Surviving on what, exactly?


But still, I loved it.


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