Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:25 pm
It can sometimes take years of practice
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Transpose from Am to A
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Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:07 pm
It's an accidental.funken wrote:what's that little symbol, I can barely see it?
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:47 pm
I'll work on something to better explain... I'll need some time though.funken wrote:I'm ready!!gjm wrote:
It can sometimes take months of coaching
Small clarification for above quote... "It can sometimes take months of coaching to even get and take the first steps of improv..."
Tone Deft is more on point about taking much longer...
It is how ever 100% achievable in its basic forms in shorter rather than longer periods of time for those who want to work.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:50 pm
Might as well take the opportunity to post my chord calculator slide rule again -> http://www.sharehost.co.uk/Live/chordsliderule.html
And also this MIDI harmonizer rack -> http://www.sharehost.co.uk/Live/Harmonize.adg
Check them out.
And also this MIDI harmonizer rack -> http://www.sharehost.co.uk/Live/Harmonize.adg
Check them out.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:52 am
Harmonizer instructions here -> viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177373&hilit=+harmonizer. Plus a useful diagram that 3dot posted to help visualize the modes.
I keep meaning to scale down the graphics in the chord calculator page because it tends to over fill the screen rather.
As for the OSX version it was made by photonal. I have no way to test it, but if you are sure it doesn't work then I will remove the link,
I keep meaning to scale down the graphics in the chord calculator page because it tends to over fill the screen rather.
As for the OSX version it was made by photonal. I have no way to test it, but if you are sure it doesn't work then I will remove the link,
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:12 am
I need help. TLTR this thread. I have to eat.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:30 pm
Though I may be missed the lines, about the pitch, is it right that you don't mention about the harmonics? Pitch is rather determined by the harmonics, not always fundamental freq.funken wrote:Music theory 3 - sound, pitch, harmonics & waveforms
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:33 pm
thanks you funken
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:25 pm
No, timbre is determined by the harmonics above a fundamental. Our perception of pitch is based on the frequency of the fundamental, that is we tend to perceive even complex tones (sounds with many harmonics) as having a single definable "pitch," and that pitch is equivalent to the frequency of the fundamental.pencilrocket wrote:Though I may be missed the lines, about the pitch, is it right that you don't mention about the harmonics? Pitch is rather determined by the harmonics, not always fundamental freq.funken wrote:Music theory 3 - sound, pitch, harmonics & waveforms
Of course there are instances where the fundamental may not even be present but is still perceived because a series of overtones that are harmonically (as opposed to inharmonically) related to a particular fundamental are present, a phenomenon known as the missing fundamental.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:02 am
If my explanation of detail is bad you can read in your quote what I tried to tell.stringtapper wrote:No, timbre is determined by the harmonics above a fundamental. Our perception of pitch is based on the frequency of the fundamental, that is we tend to perceive even complex tones (sounds with many harmonics) as having a single definable "pitch," and that pitch is equivalent to the frequency of the fundamental.pencilrocket wrote:Though I may be missed the lines, about the pitch, is it right that you don't mention about the harmonics? Pitch is rather determined by the harmonics, not always fundamental freq.funken wrote:Music theory 3 - sound, pitch, harmonics & waveforms
Of course there are instances where the fundamental may not even be present but is still perceived because a series of overtones that are harmonically (as opposed to inharmonically) related to a particular fundamental are present, a phenomenon known as the missing fundamental.
The presence of fundamental frequency in the actual sound isn't necessary condition for pitch.pitch of a tone not only by its fundamental frequency, but also by the periodicity implied by the relationship between the higher harmonics,
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:00 am
to muddy the waters still further, there is no scientific consensus on how the the subjective experience of pitch occurs when the fundamental is not literally present...stringtapper wrote:No, timbre is determined by the harmonics above a fundamental. Our perception of pitch is based on the frequency of the fundamental, that is we tend to perceive even complex tones (sounds with many harmonics) as having a single definable "pitch," and that pitch is equivalent to the frequency of the fundamental.pencilrocket wrote:Though I may be missed the lines, about the pitch, is it right that you don't mention about the harmonics? Pitch is rather determined by the harmonics, not always fundamental freq.funken wrote:Music theory 3 - sound, pitch, harmonics & waveforms
Of course there are instances where the fundamental may not even be present but is still perceived because a series of overtones that are harmonically (as opposed to inharmonically) related to a particular fundamental are present, a phenomenon known as the missing fundamental.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:51 am
the phenomenon and its variations are fairly well documented now. how it works from cochlear to actual conscious perception is not clearly understood, although there are various theories of course...funken wrote:well, the brain fills in gaps with what it thinks should be there, or is likely to be there.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:38 am
What we do know at least is that it is a psychoacoustic phenomenon rather than a strictly acoustic one. In other words it's happening somewhere between your ear and your brain, as fishmonkey alluded, rather than as an actual disturbance of a physical medium outside the ear.
It seems heavily connected with the phenomena of combination tones, which involves the perception of a frequency that isn't physically sounding that results from the combination of two or more other frequencies that are physically sounded. So with an optimal monitoring situation you could play an oscillator at 100Hz, another at 200Hz, and another at 300Hz and hear a fundamental, it's octave, and 12th above it. But if you take take away the fundamental you may still hear the equivalent of a 100 Hz tone, the perceived 100 Hz tone being the difference between the 200 and 300 Hz tones.
It seems heavily connected with the phenomena of combination tones, which involves the perception of a frequency that isn't physically sounding that results from the combination of two or more other frequencies that are physically sounded. So with an optimal monitoring situation you could play an oscillator at 100Hz, another at 200Hz, and another at 300Hz and hear a fundamental, it's octave, and 12th above it. But if you take take away the fundamental you may still hear the equivalent of a 100 Hz tone, the perceived 100 Hz tone being the difference between the 200 and 300 Hz tones.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:34 pm
Nah no .wavs needed. I have done combination tone experiments in Max in the past but it's simple to do it with Live and Operator.funken wrote:Hmm.. I think we need a wav uploaded Str'apper.
Drop an Operator on a track. Change the routing algorithm to full additive (squares in a horizontal row). Tune the B oscillator to 2 and set its volume to -3dB. Tune the C oscillator to 3 and set its volume to -6dB. Drop a Spectrum on the track. Put a MIDI clip on the track and draw in a note for the fundamental. I used A2 (220Hz). Now play the clip, listen to the sound of all three oscillators, then deactivate the A oscillator. Depending on your monitoring situation you should be able to discern a low volume, slightly more "square wavey" version of the A oscillator's pitch. If you can hear it then look at the Spectrum and you'll see it's not actually happening from the machine. That's because it's happening in your ear.
Of course we can observe similar phenomena—and not psychoacoustic but rather acoustic—through inducing sympathetic vibrations in resonant bodies. The classic experiment can be done on a piano by slowly holding down one key so that it is not dampened but doesn't sound and then hitting the key an octave above, which will make the held key an octave below vibrate.
Re: Transpose from Am to A
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:17 pm
I've got some free time today so yeah.