Ableton Forum

warpus wrote:When a Mac goes to sleep you don't lose any data. It only takes about a second or two for it to wake again and when it does everything is exactly as you last left it. So, its usually not a problem. But I suppose it could be for instance if you were in the middle of downloading a file or something. I'd say its probably one of those things that Apple considers a "feature" in order to preserve batter life and screen in case you forget to turn your machine off. Some might find it annoying though, but I dont most people would really care that much to make them choose a PC because of it.

I understand that. When a PC goes to Sleep, you don't lose any data.... it also comes back. Then there is Hibernate mode, where the computer fully turns off, but saves the RAM to the hard drive first.... taking a snapshot of where you were.

When a Mac or PC goes to Sleep.... some functions do stop. For example, any active internet connections or downloads would stop if either a Mac or PC went to sleep. Or a program actively running a task would stop the current function. Yes, it may resume when you Wake.... but while Asleep, it stops.

The difference is..... on a PC you can customize these options. For example, I can set what happens when I close the lid on my laptop. Or I can set what happens when I press the Sleep button. Or what happens when I press the Power button. So, if I wanted... I could close the screen on the laptop, and still be downloading that file or running whatever program task I was on.

Then, I can set timers for power saving options. Example, I can set the laptop to automatically Sleep after 5 minutes of inactivity when running on batteries. Or automatically hibernate when there is less than a certain amount of battery life left. Stuff like that.


My point wasn't really trying to make an argument for buying a PC. I was actually just curious about why some guy would risk breaking his powerbook while he was playing Frogger, trying to cross a busy street. I guess he had some program running, and didn't want it to sleep.

If it had been me, I could have closed the laptop..... put it in the bag, and safely transported it.... while STILL downloading that file from the wireless broadback card, or whatever.

I'm just surprised that Mac OS doesn't have this sort of functionality, because it's been in Windows for a long, long time.

djadonis206 wrote: It's a good computer for sure

but the whole Ipods and the commercials really turn a brother off - not to mention their tech / customer support <--> not the friendliest

but guess what?

cause I'm shallow like this...

I signed up for a new bank account yesterday just to get a free IPOD and I'm buying a MACBOOK at the end of the month

See, I basically live and exist on Capitol Hill - it's very important to look the part (I'm being serious) so when I go get coffee to do homework I can whip out the MacBook and look at people over the top of my glasses while sipping on a latte - then when I get up to leave I put my IPOD on and bolt my IPOD to my hip like a Weapon and power walk out the cafe <-- it's what people do on Capitol Hill...I'm not kidding either - So I'm going to do it myself

otherwise

I get a PC Laptop and use my Chocolate Cell phone as a MP3 player - like that's going ot get me some Hipster cootch

ha, that's a good perspective of Capitol Hill for sure. i lived in Seattle for a while myself and can remember how obnoxious it was in that neighborhood. we had the same thing in Brooklyn too, it's called Williamsburg, hell on earth. haven't found the equivalent in Boston yet, though i'm sure it exists somewhere.

But on the real - that new IMAC looks pretty cool for all the right reasons

man - it's nice to live in a day and age of affordable quality products <-- I'm not being sarcastic either

djadonis206 wrote:But on the real - that new IMAC looks pretty cool for all the right reasons

man - it's nice to live in a day and age of affordable quality products <-- I'm not being sarcastic either

yeah when you spec it out the price is very nice. try configuring the same PC with off-the-shelf stuff. a high quality 24" HD display with PCI Express graphics and a second digital display output, Core 2 Duo, 250GB HD, Firewire 800, dual layer DVD, wifi, bluetooth. not to mention the damn thing is sitting inside the 2" deep display. and these have a socketed CPU which means they are upgradable down the road, with the exception of the video card. not forking bad at all.

hoffman2k wrote:What we all need is a banana branded computer that runs bananOS.

I'd lol if it was Brazil based

This shit is bananas, b-a-n-a-n-a-s.

What's a 'Mac'?

DeadlyKungFu wrote:This shit is bananas, b-a-n-a-n-a-s.

What's a 'Mac'?

here's a big one

What the trend seems to be is great speced computers appearing that are very competitivly priced AND great for making music on with LIVE
Apple is really making alot of people in the PC world stand up and say whats going on here lets check this out and many are being quite pleasently surprised.. that seems to be the trend we are seeing.

That 24" Core 2 Duo Firewire 800 loaded machine is looking very tempting.. imagine Leopard (a true 64bit OS) and Live 6 running on that in the near future..
Trend.. yep there is definitely a trend happening here.

The one thing that cracks me up about the title of this thread is that Apple and macs have been around longer than DOS has had a GUI. Windows has always took great liberties with Mac OS in terms of using Apple as a testing ground for GUI and various other OS 'innovations'. Now it sometimes works that Apple takes an idea from Microsoft, but it's at least 95% the other way around.

Now none of this is an attack on Windows, more an observation, and a way of explaining that it's pretty impossible to say using Macs is a trend when that trend has been around longer than dirt....

PC users switching to Mac might be a trend in the sense that when Vista comes out, you'll probably see less of that happening for a little while. Sad part to me about the whole trend of PC to Mac switching is that right now isn't the best time to do it if you use a lot of third party software that hasn't yet been coded for Intel Macs. The best time to switch would be after Leopard has been out for a while, and your favorite applications are Universal Binary.

Machinesworking wrote:The one thing that cracks me up about the title of this thread is that Apple and macs have been around longer than DOS has had a GUI. Windows has always took great liberties with Mac OS in terms of using Apple as a testing ground for GUI and various other OS 'innovations'. Now it sometimes works that Apple takes an idea from Microsoft, but it's at least 95% the other way around.

Now none of this is an attack on Windows, more an observation, and a way of explaining that it's pretty impossible to say using Macs is a trend when that trend has been around longer than dirt....

PC users switching to Mac might be a trend in the sense that when Vista comes out, you'll probably see less of that happening for a little while. Sad part to me about the whole trend of PC to Mac switching is that right now isn't the best time to do it if you use a lot of third party software that hasn't yet been coded for Intel Macs. The best time to switch would be after Leopard has been out for a while, and your favorite applications are Universal Binary.

Didn't Apple steal the GUI idea from Xerox, anyway?


You're right about waiting. I've never been an Apple fan, but the Intel chips have been the one thing that might make me change my mind. I care about specs for price, and now Apple has caught up finally. But I'm still waiting to decide. I'll take another look once Leopard and Vista are both shipping in new machines, and then re-evaluate.

subterFUSE wrote:Didn't Apple steal the GUI idea from Xerox, anyway?

I think the concept's even older than that.

The Mac did add a lot of stuff, though. The Xerox folk were using huge screens so they didn't allow windows to overlap, for instance. I don't think they had menubars or 'trash cans' or files on the desktop either.

xerox had the mouse idea, steve jobs went in there and snatchd it right out lmao.

seriously, the stories and books about those days, how everthing came to be is an amazing amazing read!

i recommend to anyone to go and pick up some books

hell even watch Pirates of Sillicone Valley !

Figure 1. Dr. Engelbart—the inventor of the mouse and scores of computer-related innovations



Figure 2. The first computer mouse invented in the 1960s



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart

DeadlyKungFu wrote:This shit is bananas, b-a-n-a-n-a-s.

What's a 'Mac'?

It's an Apple

subterFUSE wrote:Didn't Apple steal the GUI idea from Xerox, anyway?

You're right about waiting. I've never been an Apple fan, but the Intel chips have been the one thing that might make me change my mind. I care about specs for price, and now Apple has caught up finally. But I'm still waiting to decide. I'll take another look once Leopard and Vista are both shipping in new machines, and then re-evaluate.

Apple copied the idea from Xerox, Microsoft flat out stole it by demanding access to the mac kernal for proper Word implementation.... big scandel.
No big deal to copy, like Microsoft does now, (Apple does it too of course), but entire code?

Anyway, hard to call macs a trend when Apple, Microsoft, Atari, and Amiga really started it all. Only Apple and Microsoft left from back then.