Ableton Forum

little boy wrote:WOLF !

agent314 wrote:

the problem I see is that some of these guys are very poor writers.

The problem as I see it is that people are way too quick to conflate minor bugs or inconveniences in their workflow with a showstopping, application-crippling flaws in the fundamental design and basic functioning of the program, and you end up with a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation when it comes to people reporting legitimate flaws.

Angstrom wrote:Meanwhile, some users dismiss any issues raised as trivial nit-picking
As if to say "it doesn't affect me, so you guys are ID centric"

Some users dismiss any excitement about a product which contains features they are looking forward to. Some users dismiss other peoples concerns, problems, requirements, and excitement that these might be addressed.
Dismiss them all you like, but I can't help but laugh at these ID centric posts.

Angstrom wrote:

agent314 wrote:

"In a gold rush, sell shovels"

Are you talking about the updates to 9 in particular, or the Push functionality?

Also, very aptly put

I would say that for both products. When they considered what was important to include and what their prospective purchasers might value, it seems that things like " accessing and previewing partner content" is top of the list, while "managing existing/user content" wasn't actually on the list.


The new browser didn't prioritise user content, user organisation methods, user creative requirements and circumstances. Instead it prioritised partner content, partner organisation methods, partner requirements.
Notice how the author/creator is just a nested folder called"other" in their arbitrary categories , and know where you stand in their conception.

Of all of our various working methods, situations, musics, organisation methods. Whose does this conform to?
Or do we conform to it?

donmich wrote: This is probably the most on-the-mark and eloquent critique of Live 9 I have seen. Its the kind of thing that many people might instinctively feel but cant quite articulate. It exposes possible philosophical flaws (whether they were conscious or not) that I would like to believe ableton wouldnt want to be labelled with - rather than just technical flaws and irritants.
I personally feel its an insight which is important for ableton to hear, and suggest posting it as an "open letter" on its own. Its too burried in this thread.

Angstrom wrote: Notice how the author/creator is just a nested folder called"other" in their arbitrary categories , and know where you stand in their conception.
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mholloway wrote:

Angstrom wrote: Notice how the author/creator is just a nested folder called"other" in their arbitrary categories , and know where you stand in their conception.
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Not sure why people keep applauding this post of yours, when, factually speaking, it is completely inaccurate. "Other" folder? Arbitrary categories? The first doesn't exist, and the second is provably wrong.

User content is stored in "User Library" (quite a far cry from 'Other'...) which exists under "Places." Partner content, in case you haven't noticed, also exists under "Places." So the user content ('user library') and partner content ('packs') are nested into exactly the same location within the browser.

The "categories" section above both -- while very clunky for sure -- is designed as a tagging-based system

... a tagging-based system that globally references -all- the content stored throughout the 'places,' be it from a partner or from a user. I don't think it works very well, but it certainly doesn't discriminate against the user the way you apparently think it does.

The Finn wrote:Is there any actual news about Bitwig? Is a release expected any time soon?

The Finn wrote:Is there any actual news about Bitwig? Is a release expected any time soon?

Now i'm curious as to just how long they'll tease us with the beta test.....

(*Cringes at thought of "Hey Bitwig will you release the Beta before 2015?" thread*)

although these are still babysteps..
I think Ableton should step on it with the L9 thing...
preserving users should also become a serious priority..

let the competition begin...

CAN'T WAIT for Ableton's answer cause you can bet that they will have a damn good one.