Live audio quality?

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:58 pm

Let me add about those 2-3 cases that I mentioned before, as practically only time I had to contact support; and remained unsolved despite everybodys effort.
I am almost sure they were automation related, having lots of it, these were all big complex projects. My only solution- starting new project by importing all the audio material into it, meant also simplifying a lot, the reconstructed project being much smaller , simpler in on the aspect . I have no doubt something is wrong with that whole thing.
It is great to see something constructive interesting coming from people who make music for real.
Thanks to javascript I dont have to see 1005 fan post from ice cream salesman or taxi driver who loves Live.
Thanks a lot to real contributors to the thread.
Another thing, as much as I am Lives fan, what is that complaining about Live`s midi, what midi ? Anyone seriously can call it midi? There isn't any other so much midi retarded, almost unusable application. I was OK with it when it got introduced, hoping it will get better but no improvement followed, live`s so called midi is a disgrace. But Live developers were busy applying mp3, what a fuck has mp3 zu suchen in professional DAW except for exporting referenz files for the clients. Anyway the absence of another pseudo update means that they learned something from the past mistakes and are on their way to clean their act.

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:59 pm

Ok so then tell me this... Why is it possible to slave Ableton in rewire mode, while the rest of the big boys only can be master (Logic, Pro Tools, Cubase etc...) Only Abmeton Live can be slave. WHY?

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:02 pm

re: rikhy

no one else hates that guy? really? someone tell me i'm not crazy.

.lm.

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:02 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:Ok so then tell me this... Why is it possible to slave Ableton in rewire mode, while the rest of the big boys only can be master (Logic, Pro Tools, Cubase etc...) Only Abmeton Live can be slave. WHY?

because we found that it might be useful and because it is possible technologically.

Robert

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:04 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:"it's you against the rest of the world, really.. "

no, sir. Its us against the forum. jees....

figure of speech mate..

the 'world' of ableton users does not end by this forum actually..
the voice of non forum users is heard as well, even by not saying anything, literally..

this discussion is held by maybe 20 forum users, max., including maybe 5 complainers..?
how do you think that holds to the 'other' thousands and thousands users whom you don't hear about this issue?

you think you're the chosen one with gold plated ears?

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:04 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:re: rikhy

no one else hates that guy? really? someone tell me i'm not crazy.

.lm.

No I dont hate anyone inhere. I dont even know this guy

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:07 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:oh yes now we are fools because we bought Ableton Live. Go make your 10000 post already.... Jeez 10.000? And you dare to point your finger. lmao

well no, you are spending all your time creating a fuss over a non existant problem and telling us all we aren't "pro" enough because we dont have the problem - when we have all provided countless possible reasons why you could be thinking this (apart from just being a sheep and thinking it's what the "pros" think)

you need to give step by step run down of where you have the problem and help Ableton fix it if it is there, that is a far better way to spend your time

but neither of you are doing so

and 3phases patronising response to that was to say "make a track with live" like we are all idiots who have never thought of making a track with Live

and your point about the posts is what exactly? wouldnt that just suggest I may have witnessed pretty much all of the debates on this matter?

it is ALWAYS some egomaniac insisting he is a brilliant professional (search radeon for a great example) and knows better than all the other idiots - (including Robert, bizarrely) and it always goes on and on like this with the people who saying they have the problem never actually providing anything tangible to go on other than hollow rhetoric about how all the other "pros" they know all say the same thing

I've seen the same thing so many times

what is actually sad about it is that I've been drawn in when I know full well you'll both have disappeared from here in a week or 2 when you've got sick of arguing

honestly dude, all we are all saying is, front up something to go on and you have a debate, otherwise it is pointless

the really crazy thing is Ableton would very much like to look at a big problem like that - in fact even have as Robert said, but in the end found it to not be a problem, but the only physical way they can test these things is if the people with the problems report them in a reproducible way

that is the most fundamental thing about bug reporting

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:16 pm

erm.. Bug reporting about the quality of an audio engine?? Youve got to be kidding me, right?

And erm.. I dont know but have you looked at your amount of posts? Who is wasting their time again?

But anyhoo.. You are right on this, this is a waste of time. Obviously you computer geeks know it better and hear it better. Theree is no place for discussion because you are obviously sooo right.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:22 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:erm.. Bug reporting about the quality of an audio engine?? Youve got to be kidding me, right?

And erm.. I dont know but have you looked at your amount of posts? Who is waisting their time again?

well, Ironically a fair chunk of those posts has been testing live.....

so you think that just because you 2 people in this thread "say so", even though most people here disagree and Ableton have already invested their time in doing a proper comparison etc etc does not come under the heading of bugs?

what does it come under?

I cant beleve you are still saying it is the "audio engine" - what will it take to convince you?

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:24 pm

Maybe we should all post our soundcard??

kiwipicker · Post by **kiwipicker** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:25 pm

i dont hear whay heinz and 3phases are talking about. i have used live and logic and even garageband to compare with raw audio at unity gain(garageband adds a little reverb and comp on the master by the way).

maybe heinz or 3phases could you please add links maybe to bounced down mixes in Live and a competing DAW where all tracks are set at unity gani so that i could hear the difference that you are experiencing?

(for the record, i am quite happy with Live's sound, I would just like to hear something out of curiosity because they seem to be certain that they are hearing audible differences in quality)

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:27 pm

clearly nothing will convince him or any of the other griefers.

they already know everything about it and can't be wrong, because they are "pros."

or they're just trolls.

.lm.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:28 pm

kiwipicker wrote:i dont hear whay heinz and 3phases are talking about. i have used live and logic and even garageband to compare with raw audio at unity gain(garageband adds a little reverb and comp on the master by the way).

maybe heinz or 3phases could you please add links maybe to bounced down mixes in Live and a competing DAW where all tracks are set at unity gani so that i could hear the difference that you are experiencing?

(for the record, i am quite happy with Live's sound, I would just like to hear something out of curiosity because they seem to be certain that they are hearing audible differences in quality)

you'd think that one of them would do that, right?

it will never happen.

.lm.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:35 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:
kiwipicker wrote:i dont hear whay heinz and 3phases are talking about. i have used live and logic and even garageband to compare with raw audio at unity gain(garageband adds a little reverb and comp on the master by the way).

maybe heinz or 3phases could you please add links maybe to bounced down mixes in Live and a competing DAW where all tracks are set at unity gani so that i could hear the difference that you are experiencing?

(for the record, i am quite happy with Live's sound, I would just like to hear something out of curiosity because they seem to be certain that they are hearing audible differences in quality)
you'd think that one of them would do that, right?

it will never happen.

.lm.

but you know that as well as I do LM - you've seen alot of these debates and know it is always the same

so really it is us who are the twits for gettig drawn in

if they want to clutch on to that belief it is really their business

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:37 pm

I have never said I was pro or you were amateur. Ive never said I know it all. In fact I dont know shit, I just happen to hear things through my RME + headphones. When I was using an M-Audio, indeed I didnt hear any difference between cubase sx2 and ableton live 5. I also only hear it with 1 specific headphones which has a very wide frequency. You guys have stated from the start: "no there is no problem with the audio in Live" Never once you might have thought "hmm may be there is? all this yada yada have to come from somewhere" .. No instead you just take what the Ableton crew says. Of course they will say its up to par with Cubase and such... In not a million years I see Henke say: "No, sir. Cubase indeed sounds better than Ableton". He has to be retarded to say something like that... Its just marketing and you fellas jump the wagon.