3dot... wrote:
about the Palestinian people :
I feel for their pain.. they are used over and over again by their so-called brothers.. (Arab Islam)
and are caught in the middle.. they are without a doubt the true sufferers of this false conflict
when religious fundamentalism=power over people...
it's pretty easy to find benefactors to pay for a war
our whole claim to this land is about our history..there is no other place we can claim to build a country..
it is a sad situation.. but the act to return to this place from all around the world (political Zionism) ..
was a pretty natural one.. considering how the Jewish minorities were treated all over the globe..
but never have I heard calls to kill in the name of god..(at least not from our side)
or calls to conquer more lands..in order to control other people
war has always been in the name of survival in a hostile area..
The trouble starts when you conveniently forget that there were people living in Israel previous to the exodus from Europe.
Democracy works if you have people all of the same mind and ethnic group, if you have mass migration of a certain group into an area
immediately making the current indigenous people the minority, it's going to cause problems. That, has never been addressed without it getting back to
"1000 years ago we came from here." and "They kicked us out" , "The UN OK'd it" etc. of course ignoring usury laws, and the mass begging of jewish families to move to Europe to take over the banking industry... it wasn't all about war, lots of people migrated to better themselves, especially seeing as how there were opportunities to pretty much become the highest peasant class you could in europe rather than trying to till dusty soil etc. (of course this led to pograms whenever the king wanted to deflect blame for his economic disasters, but that's another tangent).
Point is in the end Israel doesn't care about the palestinians. Not individual israeli people, but Israel as a country and political force. They basically care that the people vote for the wrong organizations, (Hamas), and continue to demand through sanctions a more pro israeli government. Of course the palestinians cannot demand the same thing of Israel, so you are free to vote in as fanatical of a zionist as you want to... just saying, I can see how if I was a palestinian I would be upset. I might not like Hamas, but I might think where's the equality in rights here?
AFA muslims building temples on your temples.... When was that 1000, or 2000 years ago, I forget?
Seriously, if it's not within the last 100 years any righteous community could and should let it the fuck go.
That people continue to fight wars over slights on a historical level rather than current event level, that people
can't see said area as a historical place to be revered and learned from now by both sides is a tragedy IMO of far too much
dependance on ethnic pride for a sense of self.
My take on the situation it would be this:
Israel was created without real regard to the rights of the people who were living there at the time.
At this point, Israel has a right to exist, it exists, therefore it has rights.
Israel has a duty to right the initial wrong, (the making of a minority out of the indigenous people) which is still an issue IMO.
Israel has the upper hand, through sheer firepower and economic superiority over the territories, therefore it has the responsibility
to be the 'better man' to act of higher ideals than the enemy. Which means IMO taking into account the rights of the people who
you have "trouble" with, over hitting back to every rock thrown with a bullet.
It was pretty dammed cool to see some settlers ousted a few years back, I would love to see a return to communication.
Reagan was a shitty president, but at least Gorbachev was willing to overlook that to negotiate. Maybe Israel could learn from that.
