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I think it's the pious tone.

While the book has clearly helped a lot of people there are a lot of people for which nothing will stop them except death.

So it's a bit annoying to say that just by reading this book everyone will be cured.

I don't think that can be true.

funken wrote:

shadx312 wrote:

Forge. wrote:my cousin still goes once a week despite being sober for over 15 years...

And yet Easyway cures people completely in 4 hours. Which is most successful?

Yeah, forget that your cousin has been sober for 15 years, that's not what's important here.

Yes, and people who give up via the willpower method spend the rest of their lives in misery, missing the alcohol.

I gave up fags, cocaine and MDMA all via pure willpower. I don't miss any of it.

Let's just call a spade a spade here: funken has no willpower, hence he doesn't understand those who do. He's like a marmot trying to understand squirrel porn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbXcAwF2aE0

i think its not a question of will power. more a question of udnerstanding and acting.

funken wrote:

ian_halsall wrote:I think it's the pious tone.

While the book has clearly helped a lot of people there are a lot of people for which nothing will stop them except death.

So it's a bit annoying to say that just by reading this book everyone will be cured.

I don't think that can be true.

I've not said that Ian. They claim for smoking, 90% stop for 3 months and 51% stop for a year. But bear in mind that many of those failures will have another go, remember what they have learned, and be successful on another attempt. I was one of those 'failures'.

But your post says "easy"???

Das Schutzenfest!

Yeah, there's nothing more helpful than some guy getting in front of your face and shoving a book, quotes and everything else down your throat when you didn't ask for it, worse than a Jehovahs Witness. And then repeating it like a broken record.

If you said - "here's a book I found helpful" then it would have just drifted down the forum with a few reads and no replies.

As a way of generating a lot of interest in you it's succeeded brilliantly.

Is this your strategy?

charming - I am out

funken wrote:

shadx312 wrote:Das Schutzenfest!

Yeah, there's nothing more helpful than some guy getting in front of your face and shoving a book, quotes and everything else down your throat when you didn't ask for it, worse than a Jehovahs Witness. And then repeating it like a broken record.

Pretty sure if this was in a public place some guy would knock you out and most people around would be thanking him.

Mummy mummy, that funken posted a thread saying it's easy to quit drugs, and it made me cry!

Fact is, you're an addict reaching out for help. And one with a titanic gift for rationalization. But, it seems you have a few pals here willing to help you regardless. Judging by your words and behavior, you're in deeper than you're letting on.

funken wrote:

Timbeaux wrote:i think its not a question of will power. more a question of udnerstanding and acting.

Exactly, understanding is very powerful.

I'm guessing you're not even comprehending the book completely.
Permanent knowledge is not a cure.
Cancer for example,
The doctor tells you to eat right, take these meds, do these treatments, put yourself in a positive environment and think and feel positive and you will get better over time.
The knowledge alone doesn't amount to much.

If this book is at all effective, there must be a part where they lay out a plan of action. That's where the power is built/re-enforced, in the following actions.

People dont spend years attending 12 step groups because they are experiencing a long "curing" process. They aren't jonesing for years plus.
They majority of people who stick around in 12 step groups for more than 2 years are simply there to help others who have shown up for their first day and are scared and desperate.
They dedicate themselves to a lifestyle, same as eating healthy.
Someone who was once fat, spent years working out and loosing weight and dieting is not still living healthy because they are fat, they are there because the lifestyle feels good to them.

Kicking drugs and staying off drugs are different stages.
Someone in a state of addictive psychosis does not simply snap out of it.
It takes work.
It's easy to not choose to go back to addiction once someone has redefined their neural network out of habitually practicing a different lifestyle, within a different environment, among different people.
Week 1 of quitting drugs, thats much more complex than gaining knowledge.

You can read a book on guitar scales, but muscle memory only happens because you physically practiced.

Fact is, you're an addict reaching out for help. And one with a titanic gift for rationalization. But, it seems you have a few pals here willing to help you regardless. Judging by your words and behavior, you're in deeper than you're letting on.

its worse than you think, if he doesn't reduce his stress he is going to go blind, yet here he is, starting one provocative thread after the other...i'm starting to think it must have been a bs sob story he told me, because who would be so fucking stupid as to go on and on like this? some kind of conflict-addict i suppose

ian_halsall wrote:If you said - "here's a book I found helpful" then it would have just drifted down the forum with a few reads and no replies.

As a way of generating a lot of interest in you it's succeeded brilliantly.

Is this your strategy?

Setting up a bot net would reach more people. Imagine the good we could do!

JuanSOLO wrote: I'm guessing you're not even comprehending the book completely.

If this book is at all effective, there must be a part where they lay out a plan of action.

funken wrote:Sorry Juan, you are the one wot doesn't understand it...
There is no plan...

...Ok, there is a bit of a plan...
...I vote we stick on topic and try to avoid analogies.

However there is one analogy that summarises the Easy Way...

it's like there's 2 Funkens in there.

Reminds me of when I was tring to quit drugs.
"I dont wanna do this anymore"
scores dope
" Ahhh, and I'm not gonna do this anoymore"

here is a synopsis for those of you tuning in late:

funken wrote:Giving up drugs - it's easy!

funken wrote:with the book

funken wrote:I posted the thread to help people quit. All the cunts on here posting negatively are doing the opposite. Fat lot of thanks I get. Says a lot for the mentality on this forum.

funken wrote:Hey moron, I am simply repeating the theories of the person who has cured more smokers than anyone else, millions of them.

funken wrote:with the book

funken wrote:I am simply repeating

funken wrote:Hey moron

funken wrote: Says a lot for the mentality on this forum.

funken wrote:If you don't miss it, presumably there's not much, if anything, to miss, so how come you needed willpower to stop?

funken wrote:I am simply repeating

funken wrote:I'm done now

funken wrote:I am simply repeating

funken wrote:I am simply repeating

funken wrote: understanding is very powerful.

funken wrote:Right, I think I'm done now. I'm off.

funken wrote:I am simply repeating

funken wrote:Hey moron

funken wrote:I am simply repeating

i'm not sure yet... but i think the B side is just a remix.

funken wrote:

simmerdown wrote:

Fact is, you're an addict reaching out for help. And one with a titanic gift for rationalization. But, it seems you have a few pals here willing to help you regardless. Judging by your words and behavior, you're in deeper than you're letting on.

its worse than you think, if he doesn't reduce his stress he is going to go blind, yet here he is, starting one provocative thread after the other...i'm starting to think it must have been a bs sob story he told me, because who would be so fucking stupid as to go on and on like this? some kind of conflict-addict i suppose

I normally ignore your posts because they are always malicious, usually contain lies, always stupid, and always a waste of time. However some things cannot go left unchallenged.

I have a letter from the Royal Eye Hospital saying that my eye condition can be worsened buy stress. It is the 5th leading cause of preventable blindness in America. I am already borderline for driving. So take your pathetic posts and stuff them.

I started a thread on the Easy Way method, followed with great success by millions. It is not provocative. The idea was it might do some people some good. Unfortunately the message is getting buried by an avalanche of shit posts from twats like you.

Oh by the way, I was at the Eye Hospital today and my eyes are a tiny bit worse.

oh please, you're a compulsive contrarian and a master equivocator first. Addict second.

Everybody has it rough greenhorn. But i do have 2 boo-hoos for you.