Obama wins, Dems will crush the weak-ass republicans cuz...

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:48 pm

Donnie wrote:Young people in this country are all talk. Sure, they will act all idealistic but when it comes to actually making it to the voting booth just about anything else will take priority..

aren't you being all talk? it is different with kids this time, do you think Bush Jr, Bush Sr, Clinton, Carter, Ford, Nixon, or Johnson get the kids riled up? hell no, and that goes all the way back to Kennedy.

Even if Obama gets them out in record numbers (which he probably will)

you contradicted yourself.

he will have a hard time against the older more consistant voting populous. If it will be enough remains to be seen.

remains to be seen? not sure the point you're making. pissed off Democrats will LOVE to vote, Republicans will mostly stay at home crying.

Honestly, I dont support either side. I liked Obama at first but lately he has turned me off and made me realize he is just as full of shit as the rest. American elections in my voting lifetime (im 28 ) have been like voting between Aids and Cancer.

you sound really informed.

you should pay more attention, this really is one of the more interesting elections we've had in a long time.

Donnie · Post by **Donnie** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:58 pm

Tone Deft wrote:aren't you being all talk? it is different with kids this time, do you think Bush Jr, Bush Sr, Clinton, Carter, Ford, Nixon, or Johnson get the kids riled up? hell no, and that goes all the way back to Kennedy.

Did you forget the last election? Bush would never get re-elected right? Younger people didnt rant endlessly about that one either right?

you contradicted yourself.

Not at all. He will get them out in record numbers (meaning more than usual.) Will it be enough? Thats the question. You probably could have thought about this one a little bit more before posting.

Democrats will LOVE to vote, Republicans will mostly stay at home crying.

LOL

you sound really informed.

How would you know? From my quick little post on an ableton forum? Kinda knee jerk dont ya think? Dont let fanaticism cloud your judgement

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:06 pm

re Bush and the youth: I don't think anger really gets people out to the polls, positive things do, like you're voting for the winning team, helping someone you like. anger is bad mojo. Bush is a poor example, he was hated, Obama actually has that celebrity status, liked by the general population.

this is what I read

Young people... act all idealistic but when it comes to actually making it to the voting booth just about anything else will take priority... Even if Obama gets them out in record numbers (which he probably will)

you wrote that they're all talk and will go do anything else than vote, but then you wrote that they'll get out in record numbers. contradiction. is it a big deal?

oh trust me, I've learned many times to not prejudge users on here, sometimes they're actually pretty incredible people... sometimes they're just some kid in mom's basement running a crack of Live trolling the interweb.

just talking politics, an inherently shitty topic.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:12 pm

I'll tell you one thing i don't care for at all is what Obama is saying about going after Bin Laden and being tough on Iran.

It's time to stop all of these wars and focus on a real policy for peace. Instead of looking for revenge, what about looking for an actual solution to our differences?

if you want to see the kind of policy that is closer to what i believe in, take a look at this:

http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/democracy.html#310677

.lm.

Donnie · Post by **Donnie** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:13 pm

Tone Deft wrote: you wrote that they're all talk and will go do anything else than vote, but then you wrote that they'll get out in record numbers. contradiction. is it a big deal?

Cmon man are you really going to make me spell this out for you? Overall young people slack when it comes to making it to the voting booth. A few more of them voting doesnt change that fact. It will still be less when compared to older voters. It will still be a large percentage less than how many said they would vote to begin with.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:21 pm

Donnie wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: you wrote that they're all talk and will go do anything else than vote, but then you wrote that they'll get out in record numbers. contradiction. is it a big deal?
Cmon man are you really going to make me spell this out for you? Overall young people slack when it comes to making it to the voting booth. A few more of them voting doesnt change that fact. It will still be less when compared to older voters. It will still be a large percentage less than how many said they would vote to begin with.

I've seen many news articles and seen for myself, the younger voters are way more fired up about this election than any other at least since Kennedy. this was a common news article from about a year ago until the Democratic debates heated up. if you need me to quote articles, I can, you're just talking out yer ass. prior to this election I'd agree with you without hisitation, this time around it's different.

post news articles supporting your claim, I'll post twice as many in retort.

Donnie · Post by **Donnie** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:43 pm

Tone Deft wrote: I've seen many news articles and seen for myself, the younger voters are way more fired up about this election than any other at least since Kennedy. this was a common news article from about a year ago until the Democratic debates heated up. if you need me to quote articles, I can, you're just talking out yer ass. prior to this election I'd agree with you without hisitation, this time around it's different.

post news articles supporting your claim, I'll post twice as many in retort.

I think you are putting a lot of stock in media sensationalizm. You say im talking out my ass but you are basing your arguement on news articles that have nothing to do with actual results...and you see no problem with that?

There is a big difference between saying and doing. At this point there are no definatives. Could be right, could be wrong. Until the election happens and we get some real numbers...

Grifter · Post by **Grifter** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:53 pm

Donnie wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: I've seen many news articles and seen for myself, the younger voters are way more fired up about this election than any other at least since Kennedy. this was a common news article from about a year ago until the Democratic debates heated up. if you need me to quote articles, I can, you're just talking out yer ass. prior to this election I'd agree with you without hisitation, this time around it's different.

post news articles supporting your claim, I'll post twice as many in retort.
I think you are putting a lot of stock in media sensationalizm. You say im talking out my ass but you are basing your arguement on news articles that have nothing to do with actual results...and you see no problem with that?

There is a big difference between saying and doing. At this point there are no definatives. Could be right, could be wrong. Until the election happens and we get some real numbers...

What will change by voting either party ?

Arriving to a point of being fucked off is the only given.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:53 pm

media sensationalism... riiight.

please pull your pants up, this is lame, you aren't really saying anything, just backpeddling.

Donnie · Post by **Donnie** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:13 pm

Grifter wrote:What will change by voting either party ?

Arriving to a point of being fucked off is the only given.

Yep, pretty much.

Tone Deft wrote:media sensationalism... riiight.

please pull your pants up, this is lame, you aren't really saying anything, just backpeddling.

No, I am saying something, you are just so polarized that you dont want to listen. Its fine to disagree, its another to totally denounce everything to the contrary without even trying to understand. Hey man, if you want to base your perspective on what the media says...go right ahead. Dont mind me if I think its shortsighted and downright crazy.

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:24 pm

Donnie wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:kids under 25 don't vote - omfg incredibly wrong, that's blanket statement. if anything it's been shown that Obama is getting young people excited about politics again, as did Hillary. there have been many news articles about this.
Young people in this country are all talk. Sure, they will act all idealistic but when it comes to actually making it to the voting booth just about anything else will take priority.

Even if Obama gets them out in record numbers (which he probably will) he will have a hard time against the older more consistant voting populous. If it will be enough remains to be seen.

Honestly, I dont support either side. I liked Obama at first but lately he has turned me off and made me realize he is just as full of shit as the rest. American elections in my voting lifetime (im 28) have been like voting between Aids and Cancer.

I have to agree with that!

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:28 pm

remember when McCain said obama played the "race" card and made a big stink about it.

when it was really a spin.

now McCain is playing the "sex" card

ever notice how republicains accuse the other side of some kind of miss-doing right before they do the same thing themselves.

it's the old distraction trick

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/03 ... ith-palin/

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:32 pm

doc holiday wrote:remember when McCain said obama played the "race" card and made a big stink about it.

when it was really a spin.

now McCain is playing the "sex" card

ever notice how republicains accuse the other side of some kind of miss-doing right before they do the same thing themselves.

it's the old distraction trick

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/03 ... ith-palin/

I think all politicians do this.

Donnie · Post by **Donnie** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:40 pm

doc holiday wrote:remember when McCain said obama played the "race" card and made a big stink about it.

when it was really a spin.

now McCain is playing the "sex" card

ever notice how republicains accuse the other side of some kind of miss-doing right before they do the same thing themselves.

it's the old distraction trick

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/03 ... ith-palin/

LOL yeah it is ironic, although I think its more like McCains cronies telling him to play the sex card. I doubt thats what he really wanted to do.

Its a good move for them though, what they just did is make it so that no matter what it is a landmark election. No matter what, a black man or a woman will get into office. They made it so Obamas camp is no longer the only one about "change"

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:41 pm

Moody wrote:
doc holiday wrote:remember when McCain said obama played the "race" card and made a big stink about it.

when it was really a spin.

now McCain is playing the "sex" card

ever notice how republicains accuse the other side of some kind of miss-doing right before they do the same thing themselves.

it's the old distraction trick

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/03 ... ith-palin/
I think all politicians do this.

who did McCain support at the start of the 2004 election? he was in the running for Kerry's VP. who did he support at the end? Bush.

yet they called Kerry a flip flopper.

I can see Obama giving Hillary a high level position, taking all the wind out of the Palin choice. the gender and experience talking points are moot.

anyone mention Palin dissing the VP position? "what does the Vice President do every day?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dwzk3g- ... re=related

Obama wins, Dems will crush the weak-ass republicans cuz...

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