What does a stone sound like?

[myrnova]

so let me get this straight:

+ percussion instruments don't make music (unless they're part of a European MIDI sequence)
+ farting rhythms out your brown star is music as long it closely resembles the work of a classical composer
+ myrnova is still an extreme super racist
+ all Americans are white anglos
+ per myrnova, don't by "negro music"
+ music ceases to exist when you enter American air space
+ the lunar landing was hoax

what have i missed?

Have you been sniffing glue again H2?

[stringtapper]

Didn't we come to a definite conclusion on this topic last time?

I mean... Surely?

"WE"

Yeah "we" as in everyone involved in the "discussion" including "you."

Is it really that hard to understand??

[H20nly]

yeah "WE"... there's everyone else on the forum... and then there's myrnova.

you haven't noticed that each time a new person jumps into one of these threads where you're mouthing off about how wrong the rest of us are that new poster never ever ever seems to agree completely with you? and even if they start off agreeing partially with you, you end up turning them away. you seriously haven't noticed this yet?

oh and spare us the response that you're dying to type... no, it's not just Americans... it's every member of the forum who gets involved with you.

it's not 80-90%... it's 100%.

[myrnova]

yeah "WE"... there's everyone else on the forum... and then there's myrnova.

you haven't noticed that each time a new person jumps into one of these threads where you're mouthing off about how wrong the rest of us are that new poster never ever ever seems to agree completely with you? and even if they start off agreeing partially with you, you end up turning them away. you seriously haven't noticed this yet?

oh and spare us the response that you're dying to type... no, it's not just Americans... it's every member of the forum who gets involved with you.

it's not 80-90%... it's 100%.

Actually, the only thing I have noticed is this:

angloamericans 16

moderator: USA
H20nly: USA
docprosper: USA
stringtapper: USA
shadx312: USA
scott nathaniel: USA
Seriously: USA
Machineworking: USA
Taintlick: USA
Hanil Yoo: USA
lowshelf: UK
cmcpress: UK
crofter: UK
the finn: South Africa
Davo: New Zealand
Forge: Australia
myrnova: Italy
bagatell: Spain

TOTAL: 16 angloamericans out of 18 users

... in a situation like this (social conformism + heavy nationalism + similar cultural background + same mother tongue: 89%), guess who becomes "the enemy" (different culture + different point of view + different cultural background + language barrier: 2 out of 18)

now "sporkles" (I ignore his nationality, but the fact he wrote "WE" makes me think he is angloamerican...)

Regarding you: "glue"

[stringtapper]

You're the only one with an enemy here and your enemy is your own mind.

[myrnova]

You're the only one with an enemy here and your enemy is your own mind.

[crofter]

You're the only one with an enemy here and your enemy is your own mind.

Yes, I'm convinced he's insane and paranoid, he needs help and a trip to the funny farm.

[myrnova]

Actually Stringtapper, you are just feeding the trolls (H20nly, crofter etc.) so that you can elude my question. So, once again (third time now) :

In other words: this is the main difference I can notice between americans here and europeans: americans consider music "the resulting sound" (in italian: "arrangiamento". It's how you "dress" a piece of music). In Europe, on the contrary, music is more "the melodic/harmonic concept", BEFORE the sound (because music is NOT the sound or "music played": this is the american "music is sound" concept, as far as I can see, right?).

That is why, for instance, I don't consider a "cover" song "a different piece of music" only because it is played in different style, or with different instruments, with rhytmic elements added, in a different pitch etc. It remains "that" piece of music (because of its structure, which is before the sound) In America you call different song covers (of the same original song) "different music" just because they sound different, played with different instruments etc.?

[H20nly]

yeah "WE"... there's everyone else on the forum... and then there's myrnova.

you haven't noticed that each time a new person jumps into one of these threads where you're mouthing off about how wrong the rest of us are that new poster never ever ever seems to agree completely with you? and even if they start off agreeing partially with you, you end up turning them away. you seriously haven't noticed this yet?

oh and spare us the response that you're dying to type... no, it's not just Americans... it's every member of the forum who gets involved with you.

it's not 80-90%... it's 100%.

Actually, the only thing I have noticed is this:

angloamericans 16

moderator: USA
H20nly: USA
docprosper: USA
stringtapper: USA
shadx312: USA
scott nathaniel: USA
Seriously: USA
Machineworking: USA
Taintlick: USA
Hanil Yoo: USA
lowshelf: UK
cmcpress: UK
crofter: UK
the finn: South Africa
Davo: New Zealand
Forge: Australia
myrnova: Italy
bagatell: Spain

TOTAL: 16 angloamericans out of 18 users

... in a situation like this (social conformism + heavy nationalism + similar cultural background + same mother tongue: 89%), guess who becomes "the enemy" (different culture + different point of view + different cultural background + language barrier: 2 out of 18)

now "sporkles" (I ignore his nationality, but the fact he wrote "WE" makes me think he is angloamerican...)

Regarding you: "glue"

yeah, the only thing you notice is something you're wrong about. you have no idea what our ethnicity is. so using the term angloamericans is wrong. it just is.
i'll give you one last example because for some reason i think you really just don't get it: if a single one of us has a Mexican, Indian, Asian, or other non-Caucasian parent... that person in not "angloamerican".

who the fuck uses that term anyway?
i mean seriously...

you're the only one here who cares about our nationalities. none of the rest of us have much of an issue with that. so the conclusion is that you're the only racist among us... or at least... you're the most outspoken racist among us.

and the glue comment of funken's that you are quoting from another thread... it was mildly funny when funken posted it there. you recycling it... and then putting an laughing emoticon behind it (which indicates look at me laugh at my own joke) is not funny. go ahead though, knock yourself out... reply with it over and over again. maybe it will become funny if you keep posting it.

[stringtapper]

Actually Stringtapper, you are just feeding the trolls (H20nly, crofter etc.) so that you can elude my question.

Sorry but I'm NOT the one who eludes questions here. I just posted a question from TWO YEARS AGO in that other thread that you NEVER ANSWERED.

So don't talk shit about other people eluding questions.

In other words: this is the main difference I can notice between americans here and europeans: americans consider music "the resulting sound" (in italian: "arrangiamento". It's how you "dress" a piece of music). In Europe, on the contrary, music is more "the melodic/harmonic concept", BEFORE the sound (because music is NOT the sound or "music played": this is the american "music is sound" concept, as far as I can see, right?).

As I have already demonstrated countless times with historical evidence, this is NOT an American/European dichotomy. The ideas formed in France and Germany and continue to persist in Europe. Period.

You seem to think that because you're talking to a few Americans on this board that that then means that all Americans and ONLY Americans have this view of music. It is demonstratbly not true and I have proved it over and over. You just keep ignoring it.

That is why, for instance, I don't consider a "cover" song "a different piece of music" only because it is played in different style, or with different instruments, with rhytmic elements added, in a different pitch etc. It remains "that" piece of music (because of its structure, which is before the sound) In America you call different song covers (of the same original song) "different music" just because they sound different, played with different instruments etc.?

This you are completely pulling out of your ass. No one here but you has claimed that anyone, American, European or otherwise believes that different performances of the same piece constitute different pieces.

I say again: no one here but you has made such an assertion.

[myrnova]

So, you agree with me that music is not in the sound, but in the structure. Infact in case of a cover (different sounds) the music remains the same. That is what I mean for "music is not sound, but code".

The fact you talk about that avant-guard niche movement as "music" does not mean it is music. Infact it isn't. It is "art of sound modification". Now it's clear. You call timbre modification "music" even if you know that timbre is not an element of musical structure.

[Seriously]

angloamericans 16

moderator: USA
H20nly: USA
docprosper: USA
stringtapper: USA
shadx312: USA
scott nathaniel: USA
Seriously: USA
Machineworking: USA
Taintlick: USA
Hanil Yoo: USA
lowshelf: UK
cmcpress: UK
crofter: UK
the finn: South Africa
Davo: New Zealand
Forge: Australia
myrnova: Italy
bagatell: Spain

TOTAL: 16 angloamericans out of 18 users

I am neither American, nor "Angloamerican"

Obviously, you did not read the links I posted for you:

Don't be ignorant for the sake of being ignorant.

You seem to be able to use the web to find images just fine... but by all means, let me assist you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Angl ... Protestant

Feel free to use the links above to educate yourself on the words you are throwing about to describe others.

Please read them. I implore you to educate yourself so that you can stop posting such absurd non-sense as it pertains the race of others, as if it even matters.

In regard to music; clearly, your racial issues and overtones have clouded your judgement on this topic as well. A snare drum can be used to make music in Rome, Paris, or New York. Don't be ridiculous just for the sake of arguing.

[myrnova]

In my opinion, if you really are "from Italy", as written in your profile... you are a conservative or smth. Infact I don't believe in "ius sanguinis" (you understand what I mean, being you italian, right?). "Angloamerican" has nothing to do with ethnicity here in Italy. It only means "people who live in U.S.A. or UK and speak english natively". Period. The bullshit about anglosaxon medieval warriors, vikings and such crap are for fascists, KKK etc. So don't bother with links about wasp and such KKK material, thanks.

[stringtapper]

"Angloamerican" has nothing to do with ethnicity here in Italy. It only means "people who like in U.S.A. or UK and speak english natively". Period.

Well you're trying to write English and in English "anglo" does in fact have a racial meaning.

You really can't make a connection between the word "anglo" and the names "English", "England", "Anglo-Saxon" etc.???

[myrnova]

"Angloamerican" has nothing to do with ethnicity here in Italy. It only means "people who live in U.S.A. or UK and speak english natively". Period.

Well you're trying to write English and in English "anglo" does in fact have a racial meaning.

You really can't make a connection between the word "anglo" and the names "English", "England", "Anglo-Saxon" etc.???

I never wrote "anglo". It was H20nly who wrote it in his racist jokes. I have always written "angloamericans" (in italian: "angloamericano"). It just means what it means. for instance, african americans soldiers who occupied Italy for U.S. capitalists in 1945 are called "angloamericani", no matter if they are not "anglo" (in its racist meaning). The word "anglo" does simply not exist in italian. We have "angolo", though (which means: "corner").

For instance, with this: So, you agree with me that music is not in the sound, but in the structure. Infact in case of a cover (different sounds) the music remains the same. That is what I mean for "music is not sound, but code".The fact you talk about that avant-guard niche movement as "music" does not mean it is music. Infact it isn't. It is "art of sound modification". Now it's clear. You call timbre modification "music" even if you know that timbre is not an element of musical structure. I put it in the "angolo"