ot : RACISM...

[DrXparaMental]

illegal immigrants who don't pay their taxes...
I wonder how many natives do exactly the same...

What's your point? 2 wrongs don't make a right. Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes mostly because they are not recognized in the system and therefore because of the way the system operates, they can't unless they declare themselves and immediately they would be deported if they did. This is NOT an ethics issue, nor is it a racism issue. The reason I brought it up was because MANY people (such as a number of morons here) confuse the recognition of immense negative repercussions of illegal immigration as one being underlined by racism. That's absolutely STUPID and completely manipulative if the person making the claim has even the semblance of a brain to begin with. People that evade paying taxes that are LEGAL "natives" BREAK THE LAW and are recognized as such by the system they are participating within.

I have noticed two focus points that those who desire to turn a deaf ear to the illegal immigration issue keep trying to exaggerate and manipulate.

1. Is taxes. Because everyone is attempting to manipulate my use of the phrase "support their asses" as meaning solely the payment of taxes by legitimate tax paying citizens. That's bullshit #1

2. The retarded manipulatory tactic of making the issue one that is motivated by racial hate. That was my ORIGINAL and ONLY real point in response to 3dot...'s post. MANY times racism is confused by the ignorant because the IGNORANT do not recognize the honest motives that a completely non racist legal citizen draws upon to support the eradication of the illegal alien infestation within the United States. That's bullshit#2

Why are people so completely divisive with respect to this legitimacy issue that is COMPLETELY separate of race altogether? I can tell you why. It's because many, not all, but MANY of those very people that are motived to mouth off in support of illegal immigration, do so based on the fact that they themselves have an ulterior motive with respect to the issue and are too afraid to voice the hidden truths of their own situations. That's why.

[3dot...]

DrX, that's your reply? your idea of "absolute and unquestionable proof" is a Hollywood movie?

you don't drink huh? what other drugs you knockin back???

and by the way, not one single person in this thread has actually suggested that illegal immigration is a good thing... it's you that keeps setting up that straw man argument over and over again...

what is questionable is your simplistic and virulent nationalistic sentiment...

personally i'd prefer a world where people don't think it's okay to go around shitting on each other, physically or verbally... you coming on here and ranting about how the world needs rescuing from the elite, while at the same time vomiting elitist diatribe against others is a pretty sad mess, in my opinion...

+3...

[3dot...]

We need to find a way to stop these dirt bag ethnic origin immigrants coming into the country and using illegitimate Ableton licenses. Why should MY hard earned tax money pay for THEIR warping and looping functionality? Its time to wise up peps.

[3dot...]

typical "turn n run" response.

Let me ask you something. Are you legal?

Since you admit that illegal immigration is inherently "bad" because as you put it, "no one is saying it's a good thing" what exactly is your point? Do you have one other than "somehow, it'll all work itself out"? Because it's NOT going to work itself out. Calling me "narrow minded" because I am calling a spade a spade and you choose to call it a "dark mass" doesn't mean much pal. Your socially and politically correct generalities just point to certain cowardice.

It blows my mind how the very people that defend illegal immigration are the ones that cause their own fellow native immigrant country men and women, that are attempting to do the right thing by legitimately and responsibly naturalizing, the most damage to to the cause that underlines both people's motives to begin with. Those people are scum. Worse than that, many are just plain stupid and choose the cowardly path irresponsibility. Of course they are the first to blame everyone else when the shit hits the fan.

Yep, it's me that's predictable alright.

you're such an ass ... you're judging people without even knowing them.
you're the 'there goes the neighborhood ' type of guy...
you're a coward...probably a cheap scape mf as well ...
you want to close boarders so 'they' won't be able to come in...
cuz then your economy gets screwed...
but money wise you're not looking in the right places...
it's the people up top...movers in the market that are taking all the $$$
INDIVIDUALS !
do yourself a favor and read up on the history of 'Wall Street'...
it's also only a selected sum of people that run US policy...
or any other country...

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANT TO WORK. SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES .
AND LIVE A RESPECTFUL/MEANINGFUL LIFE.

you're on the strong side.
you can afford to think about other... more unfortunate people.
if the tables were turned... you'd be trying... JUST LIKE 'THEM'...
and don't even try to look for statistics or links to other tight-assed shites..
it isn't even about that. it's about sympathy. and being kind..
for every action there's a reaction...if you hadn't learned this already in your life...
you will...someday.
the US is now paying for interfering in other countries buisness..
the US sells the 'American Dream' ...
wtf do you expect people to do ?
Mexicans are YOUR NEIGHBOURS for crying out loud...
I have nothing but to do but feel sorry for you and your kind..
hoping that some day you'll have a correcting experience...
never too late to understand how wrong you've been.
unless you think this world has nothing to teach you
(
which seems like you do...)

[3dot...]

and I guess I should rename this thread to 'US Immigration'...
or 'do you actually give a shit about immigrants in the US...'

[DrXparaMental]

typical "turn n run" response.

Let me ask you something. Are you legal?

Since you admit that illegal immigration is inherently "bad" because as you put it, "no one is saying it's a good thing" what exactly is your point? Do you have one other than "somehow, it'll all work itself out"? Because it's NOT going to work itself out. Calling me "narrow minded" because I am calling a spade a spade and you choose to call it a "dark mass" doesn't mean much pal. Your socially and politically correct generalities just point to certain cowardice.

It blows my mind how the very people that defend illegal immigration are the ones that cause their own fellow native immigrant country men and women, that are attempting to do the right thing by legitimately and responsibly naturalizing, the most damage to to the cause that underlines both people's motives to begin with. Those people are scum. Worse than that, many are just plain stupid and choose the cowardly path irresponsibility. Of course they are the first to blame everyone else when the shit hits the fan.

Yep, it's me that's predictable alright.

you're such an ass ... you're judging people without even knowing them.
you're the 'there goes the neighborhood ' type of guy...
you're a coward...probably a cheap scape mf as well ...
you want to close boarders so 'they' won't be able to come in...
cuz then your economy gets screwed...
but money wise you're not looking in the right places...
it's the people up top...movers in the market that are taking all the $$$
INDIVIDUALS !
do yourself a favor and read up on the history of 'Wall Street'...
it's also only a selected sum of people that run US policy...
or any other country...

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANT TO WORK. SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES .
AND LIVE A RESPECTFUL/MEANINGFUL LIFE.

you're on the strong side.
you can afford to think about other... more unfortunate people.
if the tables were turned... you'd be trying... JUST LIKE 'THEM'...
and don't even try to look for statistics or links to other tight-assed shites..
it isn't even about that. it's about sympathy. and being kind..
for every action there's a reaction...if you hadn't learned this already in your life...
you will...someday.
the US is now paying for interfering in other countries buisness..
the US sells the 'American Dream' ...
wtf do you expect people to do ?
Mexicans are YOUR NEIGHBOURS for crying out loud...
I have nothing but to do but feel sorry for you and your kind..
hoping that some day you'll have a correcting experience...
never too late to understand how wrong you've been.
unless you think this world has nothing to teach you
(
which seems like you do...)

OK, ok. I'll take it easy on your sorry ass, after all from what you have been posting so far, you are obviously really young and most likely suck ass at playing the bass too, so here goes. One for you 3spotz (on your panties)

Are you honestly as retarded as you are making yourself out to be here? Have you read NOTHING that I have written? Are you so impulsively emotional (like a pubescent little girl) that all you can do is throw shit like a 4 year old? Are the majority of the people in your neck of the woods as emotionally weak and unintelligent as you're pretend bleeding hemorrhoid heart is making yourself out to be? If so that would explain why you have so many fucking problems over there you fuck faced drama queen.

Respond intelligently or don't bother responding at all. Do you have one single factual point to make or do you just get off on playing "I wannabe a troll when I grow up"?

[scott nathaniel]

You think X is pissed. These guys are up in arms over the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IkTcR71DEM

[Slightlydelic]

illegal immigrants who don't pay their taxes...
I wonder how many natives do exactly the same...

What's your point? 2 wrongs don't make a right. Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes mostly because they are not recognized in the system and therefore because of the way the system operates, they can't unless they declare themselves and immediately they would be deported if they did. This is NOT an ethics issue, nor is it a racism issue. The reason I brought it up was because MANY people (such as a number of morons here) confuse the recognition of immense negative repercussions of illegal immigration as one being underlined by racism. That's absolutely STUPID and completely manipulative if the person making the claim has even the semblance of a brain to begin with. People that evade paying taxes that are LEGAL "natives" BREAK THE LAW and are recognized as such by the system they are participating within.

I have noticed two focus points that those who desire to turn a deaf ear to the illegal immigration issue keep trying to exaggerate and manipulate.

1. Is taxes. Because everyone is attempting to manipulate my use of the phrase "support their asses" as meaning solely the payment of taxes by legitimate tax paying citizens. That's bullshit #1

2. The retarded manipulatory tactic of making the issue one that is motivated by racial hate. That was my ORIGINAL and ONLY real point in response to 3dot...'s post. MANY times racism is confused by the ignorant because the IGNORANT do not recognize the honest motives that a completely non racist legal citizen draws upon to support the eradication of the illegal alien infestation within the United States. That's bullshit#2

Why are people so completely divisive with respect to this legitimacy issue that is COMPLETELY separate of race altogether? I can tell you why. It's because many, not all, but MANY of those very people that are motived to mouth off in support of illegal immigration, do so based on the fact that they themselves have an ulterior motive with respect to the issue and are too afraid to voice the hidden truths of their own situations. That's why.

well said, i dont know if people are out to wind you up, or if they realy are so fucking dumbed down and brainwashed into the PC thinking they just cant get the fact you dont need to be racist to have a reason against immigration.

[3dot...]

typical "turn n run" response.

Let me ask you something. Are you legal?

Since you admit that illegal immigration is inherently "bad" because as you put it, "no one is saying it's a good thing" what exactly is your point? Do you have one other than "somehow, it'll all work itself out"? Because it's NOT going to work itself out. Calling me "narrow minded" because I am calling a spade a spade and you choose to call it a "dark mass" doesn't mean much pal. Your socially and politically correct generalities just point to certain cowardice.

It blows my mind how the very people that defend illegal immigration are the ones that cause their own fellow native immigrant country men and women, that are attempting to do the right thing by legitimately and responsibly naturalizing, the most damage to to the cause that underlines both people's motives to begin with. Those people are scum. Worse than that, many are just plain stupid and choose the cowardly path irresponsibility. Of course they are the first to blame everyone else when the shit hits the fan.

Yep, it's me that's predictable alright.

you're such an ass ... you're judging people without even knowing them.
you're the 'there goes the neighborhood ' type of guy...
you're a coward...probably a cheap scape mf as well ...
you want to close boarders so 'they' won't be able to come in...
cuz then your economy gets screwed...
but money wise you're not looking in the right places...
it's the people up top...movers in the market that are taking all the $$$
INDIVIDUALS !
do yourself a favor and read up on the history of 'Wall Street'...
it's also only a selected sum of people that run US policy...
or any other country...

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANT TO WORK. SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES .
AND LIVE A RESPECTFUL/MEANINGFUL LIFE.

you're on the strong side.
you can afford to think about other... more unfortunate people.
if the tables were turned... you'd be trying... JUST LIKE 'THEM'...
and don't even try to look for statistics or links to other tight-assed shites..
it isn't even about that. it's about sympathy. and being kind..
for every action there's a reaction...if you hadn't learned this already in your life...
you will...someday.
the US is now paying for interfering in other countries buisness..
the US sells the 'American Dream' ...
wtf do you expect people to do ?
Mexicans are YOUR NEIGHBOURS for crying out loud...
I have nothing but to do but feel sorry for you and your kind..
hoping that some day you'll have a correcting experience...
never too late to understand how wrong you've been.
unless you think this world has nothing to teach you
(
which seems like you do...)

OK, ok. I'll take it easy on your sorry ass, after all from what you have been posting so far, you are obviously really young and most likely suck ass at playing the bass too, so here goes. One for you 3spotz (on your panties)

Are you honestly as retarded as you are making yourself out to be here? Have you read NOTHING that I have written? Are you so impulsively emotional (like a pubescent little girl) that all you can do is throw shit like a 4 year old? Are the majority of the people in your neck of the woods as emotionally weak and unintelligent as you're pretend bleeding hemorrhoid heart is making yourself out to be? If so that would explain why you have so many fucking problems over there you fuck faced drama queen.

Respond intelligently or don't bother responding at all. Do you have one single factual point to make or do you just get off on playing "I wannabe a troll when I grow up"?

you're an idiot

[slatepipe]

you're such an ass ... you're judging people without even knowing them.
you're the 'there goes the neighborhood ' type of guy...
you're a coward...probably a cheap scape mf as well ...
you want to close boarders so 'they' won't be able to come in...
cuz then your economy gets screwed...
but money wise you're not looking in the right places...
it's the people up top...movers in the market that are taking all the $$$
INDIVIDUALS !
do yourself a favor and read up on the history of 'Wall Street'...
it's also only a selected sum of people that run US policy...
or any other country...

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANT TO WORK. SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES .
AND LIVE A RESPECTFUL/MEANINGFUL LIFE.

you're on the strong side.
you can afford to think about other... more unfortunate people.
if the tables were turned... you'd be trying... JUST LIKE 'THEM'...
and don't even try to look for statistics or links to other tight-assed shites..
it isn't even about that. it's about sympathy. and being kind..
for every action there's a reaction...if you hadn't learned this already in your life...
you will...someday.
the US is now paying for interfering in other countries buisness..
the US sells the 'American Dream' ...
wtf do you expect people to do ?
Mexicans are YOUR NEIGHBOURS for crying out loud...
I have nothing but to do but feel sorry for you and your kind..
hoping that some day you'll have a correcting experience...
never too late to understand how wrong you've been.
unless you think this world has nothing to teach you
(
which seems like you do...)[/quote]

good words
i think ultimately its about compassion. despite what rules and regulations our governments here in the uk and the us impose on us as regards immigration i like to think that we just owe it to ourselves as human beings to look after each other and help each other where we can. if that involves helping an illegal immigrant to have a better life in some small way then so be it.
i find the thought of telling some feller that if he doesnt pay taxes then he should 'get the fuck out' to be just shameful. if that makes me 'namby pamby', as i was referred to earlier in this thread, then great, i am namby pamby.

[arafel]

All I care about is stopping the influx of grade 4 'edupidated' americans into my beautiful country.

IMHO - let immigrants take over the US, we all might finally get some peace & good salsa.

[3dot...]

X I don't need to write an assay to make my point.
your posts are long...and boring.
and generally biased.
you've read one....is like you've read them all...
you're right I didn't bother...
it's like the ramblings of an insane person.
all of what I've said is fact and true...even if general
it's stating an obvious for a blind janitor such as yourself...
that can't see an inch in front of his face.
much so as to turn a thread about racism into venting your own fears and frustrations...
doesn't matter...
let it all out ... get it out of your system

[arafel]

So I just did a quick google

I'll paraphrase (links attached for your erudition)

Centre for immigration studies says 'illegals' cost US:
Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

Rense.com says (still cant believe I actually clicked on this BS site.. oh well)
The NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal welfare and pays $10,664.00 in federal taxes. Thus, American taxpayers shell out $2,682.00 for each immigrant household.
http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm

Compare that to the cost of bailing out our 'native' forefathers favorite sons:
Enron, Big 'crap' Auto-makers, Bankers, Mortgage scamers, etc, etc

CNN Money says:
Govt has commited 10.5 Trillion to bailouts, actually invested $2.7 trillion so far.
http://money.cnn.com/news/storysuppleme ... uttracker/

Natural news:
For the $700 billion bailout lie told to you by Congress and the Fed: The real cost of the financial bailout exceeds $8.5 trillion, or more than $26,000 for every man, woman and child in the country.
http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000553_ ... ation.html

So... ahh.. $2.7 trillion in bailouts/ 305 million USA population = $8852 per person.
Oh those real americans are sure helpful, and honest too.


Maybe illegals are actually better
at the very least... they cost the rest of us .. way less than a banker.
Eat the Rich!

[brightonalex]

if that makes me 'namby pamby', as i was referred to earlier in this thread, then great, i am namby pamby

You're from Stokie of course you're namby pamby!

[DrXparaMental]

X I don't need to write an assay to make my point.
your posts are long...and boring.
and generally biased.
you've read one....is like you've read them all...
you're right I didn't bother...
it's like the ramblings of an insane person.
all of what I've said is fact and true...even if general
it's stating an obvious for a blind janitor such as yourself...
that can't see an inch in front of his face.
much so as to turn a thread about racism into venting your own fears and frustrations...
doesn't matter...
let it all out ... get it out of your system

Remember that old corrective approach to having what was called "lazy eye"? You know, where if the one eye was slightly crossed and not functioning properly with respect to following light and such, you covered the good eye in an effort to help make the fucked up one get stronger and eventually work normally?

well, it's too bad you don't have two brains. Really a shame. At least you could get one them babies functioning properly. Maybe.