What Ableton IS KEEPING SECRET about Live's audio engine...

[fishmonkey]

partly it's a psychological issue.

what's not interesting is when someone starts with a wild guess about something highly technical that they obviously have little understanding about, and then proceed from there to spin a whole set of ideas based on it.

over and over again.

there's nothing whatsoever wrong with wondering or learning. but learning is not making wild claims based on opinions you've heard from others.

[3phase]

partly it's a psychological issue.

what's not interesting is when someone starts with a wild guess about something highly technical that they obviously have little understanding about, and then proceed from there to spin a whole set of ideas based on it.

over and over again.

there's nothing whatsoever wrong with wondering or learning. but learning is not making wild claims based on opinions you've heard from others.

i really wouldt say that my understanding is little... but i do troubleshouting for huge studio istallations, .. and these are in big parts digital scince the later 1990´s...

You need to be a generalist...

your routine is trouble shooting and not dsp programming.. or room acoustics.. or crossover design..or capaciator design..

but over the years you know this and that.. enough for educated guesses..

of cause its possible that process timing is really not an issue anymore... that it was a big issue for wandel and goltherman in the late 1990´s, that needed to achive perfect state of the art audio quality within 3 samples, dont says that this can be an issue today...

would be maybe an intersting daw test.. a few special files.. zero in all samples.. just single samples hold an value..

so the first sample allways is mx..followed by zero. than value on1.. 7 times zero..one again...
next file same exept after the max value samle 2 times zero than 2 than 7 times zereo..and so on..

you do 8 files like that..

mix them together.. and should have a mixed file with a first max value sample than zero
and than 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. and so on...


Thats a pretty easy test..any daw should manage this.. i might do that... its not too difficult to create the test files in a daw..

[glenn303]

partly it's a psychological issue.

what's not interesting is when someone starts with a wild guess about something highly technical that they obviously have little understanding about, and then proceed from there to spin a whole set of ideas based on it.

over and over again.

there's nothing whatsoever wrong with wondering or learning. but learning is not making wild claims based on opinions you've heard from others.

i really wouldt say that my understanding is little... but i do troubleshouting for huge studio istallations, .. and these are in big parts digital scince the later 1990´s...

You need to be a generalist...



your routine is trouble shooting and not dsp programming.. or room acoustics.. or crossover design..or capaciator design..

but over the years you know this and that.. enough for educated guesses..

of cause its possible that process timing is really not an issue anymore... that it was a big issue for wandel and goltherman in the late 1990´s, that needed to achive perfect state of the art audio quality within 3 samples, dont says that this can be an issue today...

would be maybe an intersting daw test.. a few special files.. zero in all samples.. just single samples hold an value..

so the first sample allways is mx..followed by zero. than value on1.. 7 times zero..one again...
next file same exept after the max value samle 2 times zero than 2 than 7 times zereo..and so on..

you do 8 files like that..

mix them together.. and should have a mixed file with a first max value sample than zero
and than 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. and so on...


Thats a pretty easy test..any daw should manage this.. i might do that... its not too difficult to create the test files in a daw..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGBbbr-v ... re=related

The song title says it all.

[Khazul]

3phase - yes it is posibble to mess up Lives sample sync - generally due to UFWE - ie setting up a feedback route without realised it or realising the consequences of doing so in a buffer based digital audio processing system or switching off PDC (plugin delay compensation).

Doing either is usually quite audiably obvious depending on the buffer size in use (and hence the delay and resulting combing effects).

[fishmonkey]

Thats a pretty easy test..any daw should manage this.. i might do that... its not too difficult to create the test files in a daw..

it certainly would make sense for you to stop and do some actual tests.

i wonder if you will, or if you just like talking.

[3phase]

Thats a pretty easy test..any daw should manage this.. i might do that... its not too difficult to create the test files in a daw..

it certainly would make sense for you to stop and do some actual tests.

i wonder if you will, or if you just like talking.

for curiosity only..

i dont know what i personally can achive with it. i dont need to proove that there are problems.. ableton needs to proove that there are none..

At least when they want to get rid of the inferior sound image they most certainly have..


thats all i am saying all the time..

1) there was issues in the past ... false or true?

2) there was improovements ... false or true?

3) many producers out there still think that the sound quality of live is still inferior ..false or true?

combining the statements on the forum with official ableton anouncements the anwer is allways false... for all 3 questions..

my personal experiance in a city filled with prducers gives a true for all 3 questions..


Why is there such a big discerpancy?

thats the question i cant realy answer with tests..

[3phase]

setting up a feedback route without realised it

so there are ways to set this up without realising it?

how? can you give some examples?

[fishmonkey]

3phase, do you actually realise that all you do is argue around and around in circles?

[Tone Deft]

3phase, do you actually realise that all you do is argue around and around in circles?

and he'll do it for as long as you'll reply to him.

"Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?"

[fishmonkey]

haha, well i'm following the thread, not 3phase. as you appear to be too.

[Tarekith]

If by fool you mean George Lucas, and by fools who follow him you mean all the people who agreed he should have made epsiodes 1-3, well....


... not sure where I was going with that, but you get the idea.

[fishmonkey]

ha, this is a classic Abe forum round-robin kinda thread...

[3phase]

3phase, do you actually realise that all you do is argue around and around in circles?

sure i do..

ableton lifes sound quality is perfect..nobody can hear artefacts at -120 db.. at least not on a single track...

and i like to work with a single track because using more starts to become production work..and i hate production work

[leisuremuffin]

what the fuck is ableton life?

that can't really be explained by english as a second language.

you're fucking with us, right?

i'll bet you aren't even the washed up techno producer you claim you are. you're probably some 16 year old kid from some shitty corn town in the states having a laugh at us.



.lm.

[3phase]

no.. i am from berlin. and i love the pure sound quality of ableton live.. at least on 96 k