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myrnova wrote:I never wrote "anglo". It was H20nly who wrote it in his racist jokes. I have always written "angloamericans" (in italian: "angloamericano"). It just means what it means. for instance, african americans soldiers who occupied Italy for U.S. capitalists in 1945 are called "angloamericani", no matter if they are not "anglo" (in its racist meaning). The word "anglo" does simply not exist in italian. We have "angolo", though (which means: "corner").

Seriously wrote:^ says the asshole who is dividing the forum into ethnic groups.

myrnova wrote:just means "people living in England and speaking english", no matter of their "heritage"

myrnova wrote:Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

H20nly wrote:

myrnova wrote:just means "people living in England and speaking english", no matter of their "heritage"

um... i am not living in England.

The Finn wrote:

myrnova wrote:Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

Cécile Kyenge would disagree.

stringtapper wrote:

myrnova wrote:Actually Stringtapper, you are just feeding the trolls (H20nly, crofter etc.) so that you can elude my question.

Sorry but I'm NOT the one who eludes questions here. I just posted a question from TWO YEARS AGO in that other thread that you NEVER ANSWERED.

So don't talk shit about other people eluding questions.

myrnova wrote:In other words: this is the main difference I can notice between americans here and europeans: americans consider music "the resulting sound" (in italian: "arrangiamento". It's how you "dress" a piece of music). In Europe, on the contrary, music is more "the melodic/harmonic concept", BEFORE the sound (because music is NOT the sound or "music played": this is the american "music is sound" concept, as far as I can see, right?).

As I have already demonstrated countless times with historical evidence, this is NOT an American/European dichotomy. The ideas formed in France and Germany and continue to persist in Europe. Period.

You seem to think that because you're talking to a few Americans on this board that that then means that all Americans and ONLY Americans have this view of music. It is demonstratbly not true and I have proved it over and over. You just keep ignoring it.

myrnova wrote:That is why, for instance, I don't consider a "cover" song "a different piece of music" only because it is played in different style, or with different instruments, with rhytmic elements added, in a different pitch etc. It remains "that" piece of music (because of its structure, which is before the sound) In America you call different song covers (of the same original song) "different music" just because they sound different, played with different instruments etc.?

This you are completely pulling out of your ass. No one here but you has claimed that anyone, American, European or otherwise believes that different performances of the same piece constitute different pieces.

I say again: no one here but you has made such an assertion.

myrnova wrote: Infact she is italian That is what I tried to explain to H20nly. In Italy (and Europe) all those racist conceptions (still alive in the U.S.A.) don't exist anymore. In the U.S.A. on documents you have to specify the "race"

Kyenge has faced almost daily racial slurs and threats since joining the government. Earlier this month a senator from the anti-immigration Northern League party likened her to an orangutan and only apologised after a storm of criticism.

Last month, a local Northern League councillor said Kyenge should be raped so she understands how victims of crimes committed by immigrants feel. The councillor has received a suspended jail sentence and a temporary ban from public office.

Shortly before Friday's incident, members of the far-right Forza Nuova group left mannequins covered in fake blood near the site of the Democratic Party rally in protest against Kyenge's proposal to make anyone born on Italian soil a citizen.

"Immigration kills" was written on leaflets accompanying the dummies – a slogan Forza Nuova has previously used when referring to murders committed by immigrants in Italy

The Finn wrote:

myrnova wrote: Infact she is italian That is what I tried to explain to H20nly. In Italy (and Europe) all those racist conceptions (still alive in the U.S.A.) don't exist anymore. In the U.S.A. on documents you have to specify the "race"

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-07-29-bana ... ism-uproar

Kyenge has faced almost daily racial slurs and threats since joining the government. Earlier this month a senator from the anti-immigration Northern League party likened her to an orangutan and only apologised after a storm of criticism.

Last month, a local Northern League councillor said Kyenge should be raped so she understands how victims of crimes committed by immigrants feel. The councillor has received a suspended jail sentence and a temporary ban from public office.

Shortly before Friday's incident, members of the far-right Forza Nuova group left mannequins covered in fake blood near the site of the Democratic Party rally in protest against Kyenge's proposal to make anyone born on Italian soil a citizen.

"Immigration kills" was written on leaflets accompanying the dummies – a slogan Forza Nuova has previously used when referring to murders committed by immigrants in Italy