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I think I finally understand

myr is protecting the music of Europe against the dangers of African-influenced (for example American) conceptions of music.

for him African music isn't even music.

ho capito.

The Finn wrote:I think I finally understand

myr is protecting the music of Europe against the dangers of African-influenced (for example American) conceptions of music.

for him African music isn't even music.

ho capito.

don't roll your eyes at me.

explain

you have very marked out a position accordng to which the dominant musical traditions in Africa are not 'real' music.

now how is that not a racist position?

myrnova wrote:Just a friendly reminder to stringtapper to make sure he keeps ignoring this:

So, you agree with me that music is not in the sound, but in the structure. Infact in case of a cover (different sounds) the music remains the same. That is what I mean for "music is not sound, but code". The fact you talk about that avant-guard niche movement as "music" does not mean it is music. Infact it isn't. It is "art of sound modification". Now it's clear. You call timbre modification "music" even if you know that timbre is not an element of musical structure. I put it in the "angolo"

How could anyone ignore that?

You've said it over and over and over again.

There's also no question in that quote.

The Finn wrote:don't roll your eyes at me.

explain

you have very marked out a position accordng to which the dominant musical traditions in Africa are not 'real' music.

now how is that not a racist position?

Myrnova wrote:

stringtapper wrote:So a Ghanian drum ensemble does not play music?

In my opinion it's music because it has chants together with rhythm, not because of its sound. The drumming sound alone is "rhytmic art". Infact african traditional music is in the chants (choirs), not in its rhythm (this is called "african rhythm").

stringtapper wrote:

myrnova wrote:Just a friendly reminder to stringtapper to make sure he keeps ignoring this:

So, you agree with me that music is not in the sound, but in the structure. Infact in case of a cover (different sounds) the music remains the same. That is what I mean for "music is not sound, but code". The fact you talk about that avant-guard niche movement as "music" does not mean it is music. Infact it isn't. It is "art of sound modification". Now it's clear. You call timbre modification "music" even if you know that timbre is not an element of musical structure. I put it in the "angolo"

How could anyone ignore that?

You've said it over and over and over again.

There's also no question in that quote.

So, Stringtapper, do you agree with me that music is not in the sound, but in the structure?

You are a disingenuous troll.

myrnova wrote: Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

myrnova wrote: "Northern League" is the italian KKK, a racist party allied with Berlusconi and the neofascists (best U.S. friends ever)

scott nathaniel wrote:You are a disingenuous troll.

myrnova wrote: Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

myrnova wrote: "Northern League" is the italian KKK, a racist party allied with Berlusconi and the neofascists (best U.S. friends ever)

"Lega Nord" and "Forza Nuova" ("italian KKK" and neonazi party, both allied with Berlusconi and Mafia) have 4% of votes alltogether...
In France (a democracy) Marie LePen (far right, racist) has 25%

However, neither in France nor in Italy we have to specify our "race" (politically correct: "ethnicity" ) in documents, like in U.S.A.

myrnova wrote:

scott nathaniel wrote:You are a disingenuous troll.

myrnova wrote: Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

myrnova wrote: "Northern League" is the italian KKK, a racist party allied with Berlusconi and the neofascists (best U.S. friends ever)

"Lega Nord" and "Forza Nuova" ("italian KKK" and neonazi party) have 4% of votes together...
In France (a democracy) Marie LePen (far right, racist) has 25%

However, neither in France nor in Italy we have to specify "our race" in documents, like in U.S.A.

You are a disingenuous and evasive troll.

scott nathaniel wrote:You are a disingenuous and evasive troll.

http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf

myrnova wrote:

scott nathaniel wrote:You are a disingenuous and evasive troll.

You are a disingenuous and evasive troll with a perpetual eye-roll.

scott nathaniel wrote:

myrnova wrote:

scott nathaniel wrote:You are a disingenuous and evasive troll.

You are a disingenuous and evasive troll with a perpetual eye-roll.

explain this: http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf

We are going to do this in order you evasive troll.
So, First explain the deuce of logic you wrote below:

myrnova wrote: Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

myrnova wrote: "Northern League" is the italian KKK, a racist party allied with Berlusconi and the neofascists (best U.S. friends ever)

scott nathaniel wrote:We are going to do this in order you evasive troll.
So, First explain the deuce of logic you wrote below:

myrnova wrote: Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

myrnova wrote: "Northern League" is the italian KKK, a racist party allied with Berlusconi and the neofascists (best U.S. friends ever)

It is not that difficult. Read this: ETHNICITY AND RACE IDENTIFICATION (U.S. documents. Example: http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf)
In Europe this racist conception DOES NOT EXIST
In Italy the best friends of U.S. are (1) Berlusconi (mafia man and racist); (2) Lega Nord (KKK fans and racists); (3) neofascists (nationalists and racists). Guess why?

myrnova wrote:

scott nathaniel wrote:We are going to do this in order you evasive troll.
So, First explain the deuce of logic you wrote below:

myrnova wrote: Race is a racist concept, still alive in U.S.A., not in Europe, fortunatelly.

myrnova wrote: "Northern League" is the italian KKK, a racist party allied with Berlusconi and the neofascists (best U.S. friends ever)

It is not that difficult. Read this: ETHNICITY AND RACE IDENTIFICATION (U.S. documents)
In Europe this racist conception DOES NOT EXIST

Google does not seem to translate into fuck-wit, so I'll have to try my hand at your language-game:
You claim the concept of race is present in the USA but is not a concept present in Europe.
You then wrote that "blah-fucking'blah is a racist organization in Italy...blah-fuckinn-blah.

So fuckwit logic seems to indicate that there are racist organizations in Europe but the concept of race is not present in Europe. Does that not seem like fuck-wit to you!