Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion.

[zordon]

Its good to see some people thinking clearly. Honestly I expected a lot of right wing extremist views to fill the responses. Instead there where alot of intelligent statements made about the book. Im not even finished with it yet, just started a week ago. But I have been a life long athiest and find Dawkins reafirms all the beliefs i currently hold to be true. Im tired of staying quiet and holding my tongue when im questioned about my beliefs about the nature of the universe. Usually I tell people i prefer not to discuss it, simply because I dont want to hear there preaching about finding god. People like Dawkins encourage me to say, I am atheist and religion is bullshit!!!

[nolus]

If the response to this thread is anything to go by then this book is going to make Mr Dawkins a very rich man.

[Seyser Koze]

Ha ha...wow. Guess there's scenarios whereby logic = rude (it's logical that if blacks are engaged in more crime than whites, we should spend more time arresting blacks, no?).

lol, thats pretty random.

the logic of that scenario is that poor people in a racist society are probably more likely to turn to crime. well, certain kinds of crime.

the police should arrest whoever commits a crime, the colour of their skin is irrelevant, the problem comes when you go the other way and infer things about a person because of their colour. I believe the americans call it racial profiling.

as for the what we were actually talking about before you tried to imply that racism is logical, it would be rude if Dawkins said 'mate, youre just a fucking idiot' but he doesnt.

heh hehhh. I'm gonna publish that book.

Page 1.

Religion is followed by fucking idiots.

page 2.

Prove me wrong.

[BoimB son of BoB]

what disturbs me the most is the so called 'logic' and 'reasoning' the religious people of this thread use to throw at ous.

maybe something is misfuctioning in the brain or something?

lot's of their agruments just don't make sense at all. it's scaring actually.

they are,however, very good at NOT seeing or not willing to see. and being very inventive tobring up subjects to distract th discussion.

twisted people i say.

a few pages ago, the discussion actually rose a another level, were we could attack discuss some more deep questions.

but as many can see. it drifted downhill again.

the most anoying of it all, is thatwe have to repeat anything a thousand times. is it mere stupidity or somethingwrong with memory actively blocking any argument we make.... maybe both?

i tended to be really helpfull in this thread and polite as far as i'm able to.

i did my best.

now i would like to refer to my first post in this thread.

i'm glad to live in a country were state and religion are completely separated and churches are empty.

[Seyser Koze]

Which country is that? I'd like to move there.

[jb61264]

damn...who'd of thought that a thread on the topic of God would have gone 20 pages deep on this forum

[shtreimel]

what disturbs me the most is the so called 'logic' and 'reasoning' the religious people of this thread use to throw at ous..

i try, i really try to keep up with you. But you're so adept at using logic and reasoning, and your intellecual prowess...phew, i'm frightened and resort to ad hominem attacks. So I apologize for wasting your time, I'm sure you have books on astrophysics and advanced calculus to wade through. Sincerely, so, so sorry for wasting your time.

[Seyser Koze]

But astrophysics is the devils work!

[shtreimel]

Ha ha...wow. Guess there's scenarios whereby logic = rude (it's logical that if blacks are engaged in more crime than whites, we should spend more time arresting blacks, no?).

lol, thats pretty random.

the logic of that scenario is that poor people in a racist society are probably more likely to turn to crime. well, certain kinds of crime.

the police should arrest whoever commits a crime, the colour of their skin is irrelevant, the problem comes when you go the other way and infer things about a person because of their colour. I believe the americans call it racial profiling.

as for the what we were actually talking about before you tried to imply that racism is logical, it would be rude if Dawkins said 'mate, youre just a fucking idiot' but he doesnt.

heh hehhh. I'm gonna publish that book.

Page 1.

Religion is followed by fucking idiots.

page 2.

Prove me wrong.

When...WHEN...you produce folks - and God help-ya if Dawkins is your man - who contribute huge sums of their salary to charity, promote and practice living standards that benefit our communities, encourage the arts and "soul" like pursuits, you'll start converting folks. Until then, religious folks will have to school ya on these issues.

In 50 years, you'll find "The God Delusion" (nestled next to Dr. Phil's schlock) at your local 2nd hand store, and the Bible still selling, in all of it's wonderful varieties, tones, and interpretations, at Borders, Chapters, Amazon. Good things, quality things last. Fads die...hard.

[shtreimel]

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[Seyser Koze]

And that's what worries me because we'll still find:

Fanatics burning and raping/stoning each other, flying planes into each other buildings, murdering each other, invading other peoples countries on a random pretext, segregating societies, squandering public money, promoting charlatans, hiding their true evils behind closed doors, making their children suffer, misunderstanding and misrepresenting thousand year old words translated and translated out of their original meaning that people will still take for granted, bigotry, racism, homophobia

and all the other nice things that religion promotes.

While I hate these poinltess debates (as I've already said) who in their right mind would believe a book, such as the bilbe that contradicts itself so obviously?

Two of the gospels don't even agree on the same birthplace for Jesus.

I could go on, but whats the point.

You don't want evidence anyway, cos you got faith. hallelujah.

listen, it's all good for you and in reality I don't dislike individuals for being religious it is religion itself that I despise.

You have every right to believe what you want to believe but please, please don't expect me to respect it or want it force fed to me in my own country by way of political influence (unelected clergy in the house of Lords) or law (catholic uprising seeking exemption from the law on equality for the provision of services to homosexuals).

At the end of it all it saddens me that you have to forgive me all that I have said against you because a) I don't want or need or ask for your forgiveness it isn't necessary, I don't care. and B) You should enjoy disagreeing with me, what's wrong with that, live a little. have an argument. Get some emotion that defines who you are as an individual!

[Machinesworking]

When...WHEN...you produce folks - and God help-ya if Dawkins is your man - who contribute huge sums of their salary to charity, promote and practice living standards that benefit our communities, encourage the arts and "soul" like pursuits, you'll start converting folks. Until then, religious folks will have to school ya on these issues.

Charity wise, again, charity is not the property of the religious. Personally though, I didn't even meet the family that we gave our christmas money to. I have no personal need for gratification or feelings of superiority. I have no vested interest in charity, and honestly most of the money I see thrown at charities is wasted IMO, generally her in the states, it's not money that's the problem.

Religious people are not what I would call proponents of the freedom of the arts, not in any true way.
Almost every time some group or organization decides that some art or another is degenerate, there is a religious element backing them up, or spearheading it.

Religious people promoting and practicing living standards that benefit out communities eh?..... well in the sense that every punk rock girl I ever slept with told me about her oppressive, dictatorial, close minded, discipline heavy parents... yeah I guess rigid conformity and group think gives some of us a great example of how not to be.

In 50 years, you'll find "The God Delusion" (nestled next to Dr. Phil's schlock) at your local 2nd hand store, and the Bible still selling, in all of it's wonderful varieties, tones, and interpretations, at Borders, Chapters, Amazon. Good things, quality things last. Fads die...hard.

Wow? that's pretty ignorant. Do you really believe that simply because nobody wrote a book there were no atheists?
How about the fad of democracy? Let's face it kingdoms and autocratic systems are the norm for human society traditionally. Oddly enough I have had a religious minded friend argue that!
But hey, your not here for any real discussion, just cheating your boss out of work hours eh?

[shtreimel]

And that's what worries me because we'll still find:

Fanatics burning and raping/stoning each other, flying planes into each other buildings

Yeah, and I worry about Stalin/Hitler types. So we've got our concerns.

However, as a Jew, I take great pride in the fact that my religion has never sanctioned genocide, mass conversions, crusades, and terrorism against another people.

Ok, cue the simpleton middle east pundits....GO!

[shtreimel]

I have no vested interest in charity, and honestly most of the money I see thrown at charities is wasted IMO

well in the sense that every punk rock girl I ever slept with

Well you're just a regular saint, huh?

told me about her oppressive, dictatorial, close minded, discipline heavy parents... yeah I guess rigid conformity and group think gives some of us a great example of how not to be.

I'd quote a figure of all the secular girls I slept with and how their secular upbring caused...ah, but what would that prove. Actually, I did see a great news item last night that claimed secular girls are more depressed than religious girls. SERIOUSLY, I SAW IT ON THE NEWS!!!

But hey, your not here for any real discussion, just cheating your boss out of work hours eh?

Yup

[Meef Chaloin]

However, as a Jew, I take great pride in the fact that my religion has never sanctioned genocide, mass conversions, crusades, and terrorism against another people.

i would disagree...but i've learnt its better not to bother arguing with you